Question

Sorry, I forget the add Greek group

Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!

Thank you,

Yes, good point, gogu. However, when Greeks borrow anything from Turkish
they tend to mix it with a bit of Greek.

You fucken racist , fanatical turkish nationalist son of a *tURk*! What
makes you think that Greeks have borrowed this word from the *tURk*s. If
the Greeks are using the same word then why can't you credit them for
that? Why everything that you use have to be Turkish? Why can't you even
cosider the possibility that you may have borrowed the word from the
Greeks, Armenians, Assuriyans, Kurds, Arabs or Persians?

In Greek you would say, "...geia to hatiri mou" ("for my favor" which in
proper English would be "as a favor to me" or "for my sake".

Can't you not see the above expression, This word is exatly the same way
it has been used in Kurdish language "ji bo xatir û bextê min" for my own
sake! But I would not clame that this word is Kurdish origin because for
me it is sound Greek and definately not Turkish.

Unfortunately some Turkish words do not have exact equivalents in other
languages. Such words usually have very subtle meanings and nuances that
are difficult to retain when translated into another language, which is
probably the reason why Greeks borrowed the Turkish word "hatir" adding
the obligatory -i suffix to make it sound Greek. "Hatir" is just another
one of Those words which, as the saying goes in English, "covers a lot
of sins" i.e. it has lots of nuances depending on how and in which
context it is used.

You fucken have no idea of what you are talking about! hatir and respect
are two different things, hatir and hatirlamak have no fucken relationship
at all!
hat = come = gelmek in Kurdish
hatin = came = past tense = geldin in Kurdish
Hun bi xer hatin = you are welcome = hosgeldiniz
Xatire te = Hatire te = tekil = singular = goodbye
Xatire We = Hatire We = Plural = cogul = goodbye
Still, I would not say this word is definately Kurdish!
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find the same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

Well, at least you accept the fact that Turkish language is one of the
most curropt and backward language in the world!

Learn your own language first you son of a *tURk*, It is not
Amerikanlasti, it is Amerikanlilasti and Italians say only Americano!

But what has this got to do with "hatir"...???
How should I know?
One thought leads to another and before long one is off-topic!!!

You are basicly talking right out from your ars! That what is going on...

Also "favor".
Also like in "make my hatir" = "make it for my shake".
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Hopefully the above info will give you a better grasp of the meaning
and the nuances of this word the meaning of which, as uhu pointed out,
depends on the context. The thing to do is to get the spirit of the
word and then you will understand its different meanings and nuances
when read in context.
--
choro-nik
********

Hi there,
1. hepten

means "entirely"

2. hatir

has many meanings. One needs the context it is used in.
http://mydictionary.dyndns.org/dict_en/seek/translator

gogu

2006-06-09 20:31:06 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find the same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-10 06:06:38 UTC

gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the origin
of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words were
derived from the root word.

Greek hari/xari/chari, whichever way you want to render it in Greeklish, is
a completely different word which is the basis for the word "Charisma" which
has been borrowed by the English language which in original Greek means
"donated/given".

I mean the word "hatir" exists in probably all Turkic languages all the way
to China. Here try this Uighur dictionary page...

http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Note the word at the end of the URL is "hatir" in the above URL will take
you to in the Uighur language dictionary. And please do not make the mistake
like our Alley Cat that the Uighurs in what is now part of China took the
word either from a Kurdish tribal dialect or Greek or any other language.

And stop listening to that idiot Alley Cat just because he is a rabid
anti-Turk!!! He is a social misfit and an interesting psychological case.
This is not a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend". Only fools take that
line. Sorry but I had to say it.
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Ali Asker

2006-06-10 09:02:32 UTC

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

According to you the root word for the "hatir" is "hatirlamak"! How can be
the root word is longer then the derived word?

Post by choro-nik
Greek hari/xari/chari, whichever way you want to render it in Greeklish,
is a completely different word which is the basis for the word "Charisma"
which has been borrowed by the English language which in original Greek
means "donated/given".
I mean the word "hatir" exists in probably all Turkic languages all the
way to China. Here try this Uighur dictionary page...

Some fucken assumption!

Post by choro-nik
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Check the link above LOL!!! So, according to you "hatir" and "hatire" are
both same words, isn't it...

Post by choro-nik
Note the word at the end of the URL is "hatir" in the above URL will take
you to in the Uighur language dictionary. And please do not make the
mistake like our Alley Cat that the Uighurs in what is now part of China
took the word either from a Kurdish tribal dialect or Greek or any other
language.

Kurdish language was existed before your Mongolin tribes were hairy monkeys!
Check the Mezepotamia and learn where the writings, speeches and any other
civilized things were invented for the first time.

Post by choro-nik
And stop listening to that idiot Alley Cat just because he is a rabid
anti-Turk!!! He is a social misfit and an interesting psychological case.
This is not a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend". Only fools take
that line. Sorry but I had to say it.

You are sorry because you are a *tURk*! Don't fucken blame me for that...

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

choro-nik

2006-06-10 12:03:36 UTC

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

According to you the root word for the "hatir" is "hatirlamak"! How can be
the root word is longer then the derived word?

Here, Alley Cat, read what I actually dud write....
"Hatir" in Turkish (i without the dot) originates from the verb......
"hatirlamak" which means "to remember".

and please note that I specified the root as a VERB.

You of all people should know how this CAN BE and IS so. And if you do not
understand the concept despite your knowledge of the Turkish language then I
dare say you are sever disabled in the reasoning department!!! But then one
can hardly expect a social misfit to have an analytical mind.

However delving further into the matter would be like entering into an
argument of whether the chicken or the egg came first and I am hardly going
to go into a discourse on Turkish grammar and how in Turkish large numbers
of words can be derived from the same root word.

Suffice it to say that "hatir", which according to gogu has entered the
Greek and Romanian languages, has a very special meaning and nuances which
makes it very difficult to properly translating into other languages which
is the reason in the first place why it has been borrowed by Greeks and
Romanians. And I wouldn't be surprised if it has been borrowed also by the
various other languages that came under the sway of the former Ottoman
Empire.

However, maybe I am making the cardinal mistake of entering into an argument
with an idiot.

Some fucken assumption!

Because all the Turkic languages are basically and fundamentally the same.
That is why they are all classified as "Turkic".

Post by choro-nik
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Check the link above LOL!!! So, according to you "hatir" and "hatire" are
both same words, isn't it...

Nobody is suggesting that "hatir" and "hatire" are the same word but merely
words derived from the same root. They have the same etymology. Of course
they are from the same root word. "hatire" with the added -e (which becomes
an -a suffix in the standard Turkish in Turkey) means
"memories/recollections", hence Hatira Defteri which means the Book of
Memories i.e. a Diary or Journal.

The explanation in the different suffixes -e and -a is only attributable to
the local dialects and how sounds are converted into letters of the
alphabet. In fact, the pronunciation of the -e suffix with its special sound
also exists in Turkey as well though in standard Turkish pronunciation it
is definitely an -a suffix.

Or is the concept of local dialects too much for your brains to grasp, Alley
Cat?

May I suggest that you watch "My Fair Lady" and pay particular attention to
what Dr Higgins says about the various pronunciations of what is basically
the same vowel.

"The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain". Repeat this hundreds of times
until you have learned how to pronounce it properly!!!
--
choro-nik
********

Kurdish language was existed before your Mongolin tribes were hairy
monkeys! Check the Mezepotamia and learn where the writings, speeches and
any other civilized things were invented for the first time.

You are sorry because you are a *tURk*! Don't fucken blame me for that...

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Ali Asker

2006-06-11 12:50:01 UTC

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

According to you the root word for the "hatir" is "hatirlamak"! How can be
the root word is longer then the derived word?

Here, Alley Cat, read what I actually dud write....
"Hatir" in Turkish (i without the dot) originates from the verb......
"hatirlamak" which means "to remember".

You fucken call yourself a *tURk* but your knowledge on the turkish language
is very limited! You probably know some basics but when it comes to
explaining the words then you become helpless and confused.

hatir can have many different meanings in turkish and this is depends on
where and how it is used. hatir and hatirlamak are two very different words
and the meanings.

This very same word is used in Kurdish with very different meanings like
"for my own sake" = "ji bo xatir û bextê min" or in the sentence "Xatire te"
= "Goodbye to you". So, as far as I can see that Greeks and the Romanians
uses this word as same meaning as Kurdish language because unlike turkish we
have many other words to describe "respect, remember and etc,.". Before,
coming to conclusions and insisting on this word is being borrowed from the
Turkish language by the Greeks, Kurds and the Romanians during the Ottoman
occupation. Why don't you investigate and find out what language was spoken
in the ottoman era? Ottomans have never spoke in Turkish, according to
ottomans turkish was backward, poor and the language for un-educated people!

Xatir or hatir is either Greek, Kurdish or Persian and definately not
turkish. Remember the fact that while you were going around naked with your
hairy bodies with your monkey looks in central asia, People in Greece and
Mezepotamia were developing the languages, letters and many other civilized
things that you now take it granted.

Post by choro-nik
and please note that I specified the root as a VERB.
You of all people should know how this CAN BE and IS so. And if you do not
understand the concept despite your knowledge of the Turkish language then I
dare say you are sever disabled in the reasoning department!!! But then one
can hardly expect a social misfit to have an analytical mind.
However delving further into the matter would be like entering into an
argument of whether the chicken or the egg came first and I am hardly going
to go into a discourse on Turkish grammar and how in Turkish large numbers
of words can be derived from the same root word.
Suffice it to say that "hatir", which according to gogu has entered the
Greek and Romanian languages, has a very special meaning and nuances which
makes it very difficult to properly translating into other languages which
is the reason in the first place why it has been borrowed by Greeks and
Romanians. And I wouldn't be surprised if it has been borrowed also by the
various other languages that came under the sway of the former Ottoman
Empire.

As, I have said check the Ottoman literature and their writings where they
did not write or spoke turkish at all!

Post by choro-nik
However, maybe I am making the cardinal mistake of entering into an argument
with an idiot.

Some fucken assumption!

Because all the Turkic languages are basically and fundamentally the same.
That is why they are all classified as "Turkic".

There is not a such a thing called "turkic" expect you fucken *tURk*s call
it that way! Altaic languages are not clasified as "turkic" but "turkic" is
part of Altaic languages. Get your fucken facts right!

Post by choro-nik
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Check the link above LOL!!! So, according to you "hatir" and "hatire" are
both same words, isn't it...

Nobody is suggesting that "hatir" and "hatire" are the same word but merely
words derived from the same root. They have the same etymology. Of course
they are from the same root word. "hatire" with the added -e (which becomes
an -a suffix in the standard Turkish in Turkey) means
"memories/recollections", hence Hatira Defteri which means the Book of
Memories i.e. a Diary or Journal.
The explanation in the different suffixes -e and -a is only attributable to
the local dialects and how sounds are converted into letters of the
alphabet. In fact, the pronunciation of the -e suffix with its special sound
also exists in Turkey as well though in standard Turkish pronunciation it
is definitely an -a suffix.
Or is the concept of local dialects too much for your brains to grasp, Alley
Cat?
May I suggest that you watch "My Fair Lady" and pay particular attention to
what Dr Higgins says about the various pronunciations of what is basically
the same vowel.
"The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain". Repeat this hundreds of times
until you have learned how to pronounce it properly!!!
--
choro-nik
********

Kurdish language was existed before your Mongolin tribes were hairy
monkeys! Check the Mezepotamia and learn where the writings, speeches and
any other civilized things were invented for the first time.

You are sorry because you are a *tURk*! Don't fucken blame me for that...

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-11 14:15:24 UTC

I have proven to you that the Turkish word HATIR exists not only in
Turcoman/Turkmen Turkish but also in Uighur Turkish with examples from
various dictionaries. As you well know, the Uighur/Uigur/Uygur Turks (to
give the various spellings of the word) live in the Sinkiang/Xinjang
Autonomous region of China and they also have HATIR in their language which
is another of the Turkic languages.

What more proof do you want that the word HATIR exists in Turkic languages
all the way from Turkey to China where Turkic peoples live. Not only that
but it also exists in such places such as Romania and Greece which came
under the sway of the Ottoman Turks.

The reason for HATIR finding its way into the various languages of the
regions of the Ottoman Empire was simply and purely because of the unique
nuances of the Turkish word which could not easily be translated into other
languages.

And while Ottoman Court Language may have borrowed from Persian and Arabic,
its basis was still Turkish. Just like English is still English even though
it has borrowed heavily from Ancient Greek and Latin and to a lesser extent
from other European languages. So make no mistake on this point. The
fondness for French words in English writing (printed in Italics !!) before
WW2 has not done much damage to proper English, has it?

Are you now trying to say that the Uigur Turks who live all the way in China
borrowed HATIR from some Middle Eastern Kurdish tribal tongue, or from Greek
or from some ancient Mesopotamian language?

Don't you realize that you are making a right proper fool of yourself?

However we all know that the social misfit that is you, you Alley Cat, are
not here to discuss a linguistic point but to spread
your anti-Turkish venom.
--
choro-nik
********

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

According to you the root word for the "hatir" is "hatirlamak"! How can be
the root word is longer then the derived word?

Here, Alley Cat, read what I actually dud write....
"Hatir" in Turkish (i without the dot) originates from the verb......
"hatirlamak" which means "to remember".

You fucken call yourself a *tURk* but your knowledge on the turkish
language is very limited! You probably know some basics but when it comes
to explaining the words then you become helpless and confused.
hatir can have many different meanings in turkish and this is depends on
where and how it is used. hatir and hatirlamak are two very different
words and the meanings.
This very same word is used in Kurdish with very different meanings like
"for my own sake" = "ji bo xatir û bextê min" or in the sentence "Xatire
te" = "Goodbye to you". So, as far as I can see that Greeks and the
Romanians uses this word as same meaning as Kurdish language because
unlike turkish we have many other words to describe "respect, remember and
etc,.". Before, coming to conclusions and insisting on this word is being
borrowed from the Turkish language by the Greeks, Kurds and the Romanians
during the Ottoman occupation. Why don't you investigate and find out what
language was spoken in the ottoman era? Ottomans have never spoke in
Turkish, according to ottomans turkish was backward, poor and the language
for un-educated people!
Xatir or hatir is either Greek, Kurdish or Persian and definately not
turkish. Remember the fact that while you were going around naked with
your hairy bodies with your monkey looks in central asia, People in Greece
and Mezepotamia were developing the languages, letters and many other
civilized things that you now take it granted.

As, I have said check the Ottoman literature and their writings where they
did not write or spoke turkish at all!

Post by choro-nik
However, maybe I am making the cardinal mistake of entering into an argument
with an idiot.

Some fucken assumption!

Because all the Turkic languages are basically and fundamentally the same.
That is why they are all classified as "Turkic".

There is not a such a thing called "turkic" expect you fucken *tURk*s call
it that way! Altaic languages are not clasified as "turkic" but "turkic"
is part of Altaic languages. Get your fucken facts right!

Post by choro-nik
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Check the link above LOL!!! So, according to you "hatir" and "hatire" are
both same words, isn't it...

Nobody is suggesting that "hatir" and "hatire" are the same word but merely
words derived from the same root. They have the same etymology. Of course
they are from the same root word. "hatire" with the added -e (which becomes
an -a suffix in the standard Turkish in Turkey) means
"memories/recollections", hence Hatira Defteri which means the Book of
Memories i.e. a Diary or Journal.
The explanation in the different suffixes -e and -a is only attributable to
the local dialects and how sounds are converted into letters of the
alphabet. In fact, the pronunciation of the -e suffix with its special sound
also exists in Turkey as well though in standard Turkish pronunciation it
is definitely an -a suffix.
Or is the concept of local dialects too much for your brains to grasp, Alley
Cat?
May I suggest that you watch "My Fair Lady" and pay particular attention to
what Dr Higgins says about the various pronunciations of what is basically
the same vowel.
"The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain". Repeat this hundreds of times
until you have learned how to pronounce it properly!!!
--
choro-nik
********

Kurdish language was existed before your Mongolin tribes were hairy
monkeys! Check the Mezepotamia and learn where the writings, speeches and
any other civilized things were invented for the first time.

You are sorry because you are a *tURk*! Don't fucken blame me for that...

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Ali Asker

2006-06-11 16:24:38 UTC

Post by choro-nik
I have proven to you that the Turkish word HATIR exists not only in
Turcoman/Turkmen Turkish but also in Uighur Turkish with examples from
various dictionaries. As you well know, the Uighur/Uigur/Uygur Turks (to
give the various spellings of the word) live in the Sinkiang/Xinjang
Autonomous region of China and they also have HATIR in their language which
is another of the Turkic languages.

That does not prove anything you son of a *tURk*. The HATIR used by the
Uighurs and the *tURk*s have two different meanings as same as "HATIR" used
in Kurdish and Greek have different meanings then *tURk*s in the Asia-Minor.

Post by choro-nik
What more proof do you want that the word HATIR exists in Turkic languages
all the way from Turkey to China where Turkic peoples live. Not only that
but it also exists in such places such as Romania and Greece which came
under the sway of the Ottoman Turks.

Read your history fucken *tURk* instead of buying all that bull shit from
the dictatorship regime of Turkey! Ottoman's were not *tURk*s, they were
Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Albanians etc,. who were converted to Islam by the
Seljukis, Aabs and the Persians! Ottoman's hated Turkomans, they treated
them like a dirt, they called turkomans "farmers", "bacward", "animals",
"mongolians" etc,. Europeans at the time call them *tURk*s in a way of
insulting them and the word "tURk* is equal to the "BArbarians" in many
european languages!

Post by choro-nik
The reason for HATIR finding its way into the various languages of the
regions of the Ottoman Empire was simply and purely because of the unique
nuances of the Turkish word which could not easily be translated into
other languages.

You fucken use HATIR for everything like you use "O" for "He", "She", "It"
which shows how poor and stupid language that you have!

Post by choro-nik
And while Ottoman Court Language may have borrowed from Persian and
Arabic, its basis was still Turkish. Just like English is still English
even though it has borrowed heavily from Ancient Greek and Latin and to a
lesser extent from other European languages. So make no mistake on this
point. The fondness for French words in English writing (printed in
Italics !!) before WW2 has not done much damage to proper English, has it?

English people don't deny any of it, unlike you fucken *tURk*s! You insist
that people in Turkmenistan and Uigur people in China speak Turkish
language, why don't you prove me you dirty piece of *tURk*! Can you
understand or can you have a decent converstaion with a Turkmen person in
Turkmenistan or Uigur people in China? Kurdish language is a European
language too, we have same gramer and sentence building as English language
and we have thousands of very same words that used in English, German or
French languages but this does not make me an expert in other European
languages neither I would call Kurdish as an English language!

Post by choro-nik
Are you now trying to say that the Uigur Turks who live all the way in
China borrowed HATIR from some Middle Eastern Kurdish tribal tongue, or
from Greek or from some ancient Mesopotamian language?

You fucken dirty piece of *tURk*, stop insulting Kurdish people and their
language which you have no idea of! I fucken know what I am talking about
because I can speak Kurdish and Turkish which you have no idea of Kurdish
language or any other ancient Mezopotamian languages. How can you call a
language that you have no idea of as a tribal tongue? Do you not know that
the Kurdish is the official language in Iraq? Kurdish language is written in
Arabic, Latin, Greek, Assyrian, Sumerian and Armenian forms and this shows
the richness and the adaptability of the language.

Post by choro-nik
Don't you realize that you are making a right proper fool of yourself?

You fucken dirty piece of Asian Monkey Called A *tURk*, If I am really
making fool of myself then you are probably well and truly FUCKED!

Post by choro-nik
However we all know that the social misfit that is you, you Alley Cat, are
not here to discuss a linguistic point but to spread
your anti-Turkish venom.

You fucken dirty piece of *tURk*!

GET THE FUCK OUT OF KURDISTAN!!!

Post by choro-nik
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choro-nik
********

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

According to you the root word for the "hatir" is "hatirlamak"! How can be
the root word is longer then the derived word?

Here, Alley Cat, read what I actually dud write....
"Hatir" in Turkish (i without the dot) originates from the verb......
"hatirlamak" which means "to remember".

You fucken call yourself a *tURk* but your knowledge on the turkish
language is very limited! You probably know some basics but when it comes
to explaining the words then you become helpless and confused.
hatir can have many different meanings in turkish and this is depends on
where and how it is used. hatir and hatirlamak are two very different
words and the meanings.
This very same word is used in Kurdish with very different meanings like
"for my own sake" = "ji bo xatir û bextê min" or in the sentence "Xatire
te" = "Goodbye to you". So, as far as I can see that Greeks and the
Romanians uses this word as same meaning as Kurdish language because
unlike turkish we have many other words to describe "respect, remember and
etc,.". Before, coming to conclusions and insisting on this word is being
borrowed from the Turkish language by the Greeks, Kurds and the Romanians
during the Ottoman occupation. Why don't you investigate and find out what
language was spoken in the ottoman era? Ottomans have never spoke in
Turkish, according to ottomans turkish was backward, poor and the language
for un-educated people!
Xatir or hatir is either Greek, Kurdish or Persian and definately not
turkish. Remember the fact that while you were going around naked with
your hairy bodies with your monkey looks in central asia, People in Greece
and Mezepotamia were developing the languages, letters and many other
civilized things that you now take it granted.

As, I have said check the Ottoman literature and their writings where they
did not write or spoke turkish at all!

Post by choro-nik
However, maybe I am making the cardinal mistake of entering into an argument
with an idiot.

Some fucken assumption!

Because all the Turkic languages are basically and fundamentally the same.
That is why they are all classified as "Turkic".

There is not a such a thing called "turkic" expect you fucken *tURk*s call
it that way! Altaic languages are not clasified as "turkic" but "turkic"
is part of Altaic languages. Get your fucken facts right!

Post by choro-nik
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Check the link above LOL!!! So, according to you "hatir" and "hatire" are
both same words, isn't it...

Nobody is suggesting that "hatir" and "hatire" are the same word but merely
words derived from the same root. They have the same etymology. Of course
they are from the same root word. "hatire" with the added -e (which becomes
an -a suffix in the standard Turkish in Turkey) means
"memories/recollections", hence Hatira Defteri which means the Book of
Memories i.e. a Diary or Journal.
The explanation in the different suffixes -e and -a is only attributable to
the local dialects and how sounds are converted into letters of the
alphabet. In fact, the pronunciation of the -e suffix with its special sound
also exists in Turkey as well though in standard Turkish pronunciation it
is definitely an -a suffix.
Or is the concept of local dialects too much for your brains to grasp, Alley
Cat?
May I suggest that you watch "My Fair Lady" and pay particular attention to
what Dr Higgins says about the various pronunciations of what is basically
the same vowel.
"The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain". Repeat this hundreds of times
until you have learned how to pronounce it properly!!!
--
choro-nik
********

Kurdish language was existed before your Mongolin tribes were hairy
monkeys! Check the Mezepotamia and learn where the writings, speeches and
any other civilized things were invented for the first time.

You are sorry because you are a *tURk*! Don't fucken blame me for that...

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find
the
same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
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v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

2006-06-11 23:20:16 UTC

I admit I don't know much more about Turkish other than very few
greetings and curses. Merhaba, Gun Aydin (I had a professor named
Aydin, a dear, kind chap), Sikhtir.. and I know that the word "cep",
referring to cell phones, means pocket.. however..

England was first Celtic then German then French. English is a
Germanic language whose closest relative is Dutch. King Arthur was a
Roman Celt repelling the Germans. I had a great (tough) 12th
grade English teacher who made us read Beowulf and Chaucher in the
original language: Beowulf looks German and Chaucher looks French. The
British aristocracy was all French. Furthermore I read recently that
150yrs ago large chunks of what is now France spoke German. I am also
aware that the German monk, Martin Luther, resented having to speak
French to royal authorities.

- = -
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]

choro-nik

2006-06-12 03:46:15 UTC

It is nice for a change for someone to enter a conversation talking sense.

The idiot "Ali Asker" is such a psychological case that he would rather
carry on with his anti-Turkish diatribe even at the expense of making a fool
of himself rather than admit a simple, gospel truth.

Despite the fact that I have proven to him that "hatir" (the root meaning of
which is "memory/recollect") exists in Turkic languages all the way from
Turkey to China, the chap has gone to ridiculous lengths to claim that the
etymology of "hatir" is not Turkish or Turkic.

But what is more, he has even made the absolutely incredible claim that the
Turkish/Turkic words "hatir" and "hatira" (the latter meaning
"memoirs/recollections") are two unrelated words which is tantamount to
claiming that the English words "memory" and "memoirs" are unrelated. How
ridiculous...!!!

This idiot is even claiming that there are no 'Turkic languages' as such
which by implication would mean that there cannot be any 'Germanic
languages' either which you have here debunked.

Would I as a Turk and claim that no Greek words have entered the Turkish
language? And would I claim that a word used in the Turkish language and
which was obviously borrowed from the Greek, was not of Greek origin?

Of course not. Why would I make a fool of myself over such a natural
phenomenon as the osmosis of words between languages?
--
choro-nik
********

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
I admit I don't know much more about Turkish other than very few
greetings and curses. Merhaba, Gun Aydin (I had a professor named
Aydin, a dear, kind chap), Sikhtir.. and I know that the word "cep",
referring to cell phones, means pocket.. however..
England was first Celtic then German then French. English is a
Germanic language whose closest relative is Dutch. King Arthur was a
Roman Celt repelling the Germans. I had a great (tough) 12th
grade English teacher who made us read Beowulf and Chaucher in the
original language: Beowulf looks German and Chaucher looks French. The
British aristocracy was all French. Furthermore I read recently that
150yrs ago large chunks of what is now France spoke German. I am also
aware that the German monk, Martin Luther, resented having to speak
French to royal authorities.
- = -
Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]

Ali Asker

2006-06-13 00:54:15 UTC

Post by choro-nik
It is nice for a change for someone to enter a conversation talking sense.
The idiot "Ali Asker" is such a psychological case that he would rather
carry on with his anti-Turkish diatribe even at the expense of making a
fool of himself rather than admit a simple, gospel truth.

What is the gospel truth? Do you want me to accept that everything is coming
from the Turkish people, You even claim that humanity first originated from
the *tURk*s?

Post by choro-nik
Despite the fact that I have proven to him that "hatir" (the root meaning
of which is "memory/recollect") exists in Turkic languages all the way
from Turkey to China, the chap has gone to ridiculous lengths to claim
that the etymology of "hatir" is not Turkish or Turkic.

The guy told you that he has no idea about turkish language, Don't expect
the fact that English person suddenly would start to write and talk your
language (Turkish), People who try to learn Turkish is so little that it is
probably million to one!

HATIR and HATIRA have no relations at all, both have seperate meanings, can
you not understand that? Even in your level of Turkish I would a thought you
would grasp it!

HATIR = RESPECT, SAKE (this word has nothing to the with memories)

HATIRA = MEMORIES, REMEMBARENCE

Post by choro-nik
But what is more, he has even made the absolutely incredible claim that
the Turkish/Turkic words "hatir" and "hatira" (the latter meaning
"memoirs/recollections") are two unrelated words which is tantamount to
claiming that the English words "memory" and "memoirs" are unrelated. How
ridiculous...!!!

LOL, I have never said memory and memoirs are unrelated I SAID "HATIR" and
"HATIRA" are unrelated!

Post by choro-nik
This idiot is even claiming that there are no 'Turkic languages' as such
which by implication would mean that there cannot be any 'Germanic
languages' either which you have here debunked.

English, French or Spanish is not a Germanic languages but they are all
EUROPEAN languages! There is no such a thing called Turkic languages but
there is Altaic languages which even Hungarians have the same gramer style
as in all Altaic languages and don't forget they consider themselves as a
*tURk*!

Post by choro-nik
Would I as a Turk and claim that no Greek words have entered the Turkish
language? And would I claim that a word used in the Turkish language and
which was obviously borrowed from the Greek, was not of Greek origin?

Turkish langauge which is used in Turkey today have at leat %80 of its words
are coming from other languages namely Greek, Kurdish, Persian, Arab and
Armenian and of course western words. This is not my theory but it has been
proven by the experts both in Turkey and outside of Turkey and it was made
public by the Turkish langauge association!

Post by choro-nik
Of course not. Why would I make a fool of myself over such a natural
phenomenon as the osmosis of words between languages?

So, then do not insist on a word being definately created by your people!

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

choro-nik

2006-06-13 07:25:10 UTC

What is the gospel truth? Do you want me to accept that everything is
coming from the Turkish people, You even claim that humanity first
originated from the *tURk*s?

The guy or guys who put together a list of words and their basic fundamental
meanings might not have known the Turkish language but they were Peace Corps
who are by no means uneducated people workers working in the country.
Compiling a dictionary is no mean task. They might have become confused as
to the fine nuances but basically they are right. The concept of a word
such is "hatir" in Turkish is very difficult to understand unless you have
learnt it as part of your mother tongue.

And as to the number of people trying to learn Turkish as a foreign
language, prey tell me what this has got to do with the meaning of "hatir"?

You see how illogical you are in the upstairs department?

Post by Ali Asker
HATIR and HATIRA have no relations at all, both have seperate meanings,
can you not understand that? Even in your level of Turkish I would a
thought you would grasp it!
HATIR = RESPECT, SAKE (this word has nothing to the with memories)
HATIRA = MEMORIES, REMEMBARENCE

Again an illogical mind's view of things. You respect a person because he
has offered you a cup of coffee 40 years ago, as the saying goes in Turkish.
"A cup of coffee has 40 years of 'hatir' ". In other words you remember that
he offered you a cup of coffee even if that was 40 years ago and you respect
him for that.

That is the connection between 'hatir' and 'hatira'. And don't forget the
verb 'hatir-lamak' (normally written without the hyphen which I added here
for the sake of clarity) which means 'to remember'.

LOL, I have never said memory and memoirs are unrelated I SAID "HATIR" and
"HATIRA" are unrelated!

See my response above, you imbecile!

Turkish langauge which is used in Turkey today have at leat %80 of its
words are coming from other languages namely Greek, Kurdish, Persian, Arab
and Armenian and of course western words. This is not my theory but it has
been proven by the experts both in Turkey and outside of Turkey and it was
made public by the Turkish langauge association!

Post by choro-nik
Of course not. Why would I make a fool of myself over such a natural
phenomenon as the osmosis of words between languages?

So, then do not insist on a word being definately created by your people!

Of course I do because it is a basic, fundamental Turkish word the
different forms of which foreigners find difficult to understand because
they have not learned Turkish as their mother tongue!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
I admit I don't know much more about Turkish other than very few
greetings and curses. Merhaba, Gun Aydin (I had a professor named
Aydin, a dear, kind chap), Sikhtir.. and I know that the word "cep",
referring to cell phones, means pocket.. however..
England was first Celtic then German then French. English is a
Germanic language whose closest relative is Dutch. King Arthur was a
Roman Celt repelling the Germans. I had a great (tough) 12th
grade English teacher who made us read Beowulf and Chaucher in the
original language: Beowulf looks German and Chaucher looks French. The
British aristocracy was all French. Furthermore I read recently that
150yrs ago large chunks of what is now France spoke German. I am also
aware that the German monk, Martin Luther, resented having to speak
French to royal authorities.
- = -
Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus
BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully
disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]

Ali Asker

2006-06-13 18:31:04 UTC

What is the gospel truth? Do you want me to accept that everything is
coming from the Turkish people, You even claim that humanity first
originated from the *tURk*s?

Well, surely this proves that turkish is not your mother tongue! When and
where did you learn turkish?

Post by choro-nik
And as to the number of people trying to learn Turkish as a foreign
language, prey tell me what this has got to do with the meaning of "hatir"?
You see how illogical you are in the upstairs department?

The "HATIR" in above context used as "value" or "deger" in Turkish. It has
nothing to do with remembering anything!

Post by choro-nik
That is the connection between 'hatir' and 'hatira'. And don't forget the
verb 'hatir-lamak' (normally written without the hyphen which I added here
for the sake of clarity) which means 'to remember'.

Hatirlamak is "to remember" but "hatIr" has completely different meaning on
it's own!

LOL, I have never said memory and memoirs are unrelated I SAID "HATIR" and
"HATIRA" are unrelated!

See my response above, you imbecile!

Turkish langauge which is used in Turkey today have at leat %80 of its
words are coming from other languages namely Greek, Kurdish, Persian, Arab
and Armenian and of course western words. This is not my theory but it has
been proven by the experts both in Turkey and outside of Turkey and it was
made public by the Turkish langauge association!

Post by choro-nik
Of course not. Why would I make a fool of myself over such a natural
phenomenon as the osmosis of words between languages?

So, then do not insist on a word being definately created by your people!

Of course I do because it is a basic, fundamental Turkish word the
different forms of which foreigners find difficult to understand because
they have not learned Turkish as their mother tongue!

There is no such a language called "turkish", before the 1920's if you asked
anyone in Anatolia what do they speak, the answer would have been Pontian,
Greek, Arabic, Kurdish or Armenian. People who spoke Azeri, Turkmen or any
other language which you consider your own people would have been outside of
Asia-Minor! Your langauge is so stupid and poor that you don't even
understand puplications that goes back to 70 or 80 years!

You can ask to any Greek person to read their Greek documents that goes back
to 1000 or 2000 years, I am sure they would easyly read it without any
problem. Kurds, Armenians, Arabs can also read their documents which goes
back to thousands of years!

But you so called "tURk*s can't even read articles that is writing 70 or 80
years ago in so called "turkish"!

You can't even agree on a simple word and what it means for example "HATIR"

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
I admit I don't know much more about Turkish other than very few
greetings and curses. Merhaba, Gun Aydin (I had a professor named
Aydin, a dear, kind chap), Sikhtir.. and I know that the word "cep",
referring to cell phones, means pocket.. however..
England was first Celtic then German then French. English is a
Germanic language whose closest relative is Dutch. King Arthur was a
Roman Celt repelling the Germans. I had a great (tough) 12th
grade English teacher who made us read Beowulf and Chaucher in the
original language: Beowulf looks German and Chaucher looks French. The
British aristocracy was all French. Furthermore I read recently that
150yrs ago large chunks of what is now France spoke German. I am also
aware that the German monk, Martin Luther, resented having to speak
French to royal authorities.
- = -
Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus
BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully
disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]

choro-nik

2006-06-14 10:55:27 UTC

What is the gospel truth? Do you want me to accept that everything is
coming from the Turkish people, You even claim that humanity first
originated from the *tURk*s?

Well, surely this proves that turkish is not your mother tongue! When and
where did you learn turkish?

Surely it is for _me_ to ask YOU this question. I learned my mother tongue
from my mother who was Turkish as was my father. Does it really matter that
I am a Turkish Cypriot and that I learned my mother tongue in Cyprus?

The "HATIR" in above context used as "value" or "deger" in Turkish. It has
nothing to do with remembering anything!

You are an idiot if you think that "HATIR" in this context has anything to
do with money. I should add that "HATIR" is the very antithesis of this. In
colloquial language you might, when you are purchasing something, "Cezasi ne
dir?" ("What is the CEZA (punishment) for this?") but never "What is the
HATIR for this?". The very concept of HATIR eliminates any thought in money
or materialistic terms. Or as they say in English, "It is the thought that
counts".

However, if or should I say because YOU are a materialistic person you might
start thinking about repaying a favor done to you in money terms and thus
completely misconstrue the very concept of HATIR.

Hatirlamak is "to remember" but "hatIr" has completely different meaning
on it's own!

HATIR is but two suffixes removed from HATIRLAMAK, the actual verb meaning
"to remember".

HATIR > HATIRLA > HATIRLAMAK

You also have HATIR > HATIRA (memoirs)

If you need another example of how words are developed in this fashion in
Turkish try this...

KARA > KARALA* > KARALAMA > KARALAMAK

"Kara" is of course the Turkish word meaning "black" (the order) and don't
anybody try to question the Turkish origins of this word as I will have to
ask you how the KaraKum Desert (BlackSand Desert) got its name. You have
been warned!!!

*Karala, literally the order to "black (something or other)", is used in
Turkish as in "Birseyler kara-la-dim" meaning "I scribbled something down."
(The hyphens inserted as a visual aid only)

From HATIR we also get HATIRA (memoirs)

LOL, I have never said memory and memoirs are unrelated I SAID "HATIR" and
"HATIRA" are unrelated!

See my response above, you imbecile!

Turkish langauge which is used in Turkey today have at leat %80 of its
words are coming from other languages namely Greek, Kurdish, Persian, Arab
and Armenian and of course western words. This is not my theory but it has
been proven by the experts both in Turkey and outside of Turkey and it was
made public by the Turkish langauge association!

Post by choro-nik
Of course not. Why would I make a fool of myself over such a natural
phenomenon as the osmosis of words between languages?

So, then do not insist on a word being definately created by your people!

Of course I do because it is a basic, fundamental Turkish word the
different forms of which foreigners find difficult to understand because
they have not learned Turkish as their mother tongue!

So, Turkish as a language didn't even exist in Turkey before the 20s (!!!)
as you claim. How strange?!!! I suppose Arabic does not exist in Iraq either
because the Kurds are trying to split Iraq apart.

Post by Ali Asker
You can ask to any Greek person to read their Greek documents that goes
back to 1000 or 2000 years, I am sure they would easyly read it without
any problem. Kurds, Armenians, Arabs can also read their documents which
goes back to thousands of years!
But you so called "tURk*s can't even read articles that is writing 70 or
80 years ago in so called "turkish"!
You can't even agree on a simple word and what it means for example "HATIR"

OR, _you_ don't even have any concept of the idea of a favor done to you or
about the moral obligation of repaying it if and when the occasion arises,
OR indeed about the concept of "having a healthy respect" for anybody
whether due to their position in society or for some favor they have done
for you..

No wonder you find it impossible to grasp the meaning of "HATIR" !

But then what can one expect of the spokesperson (albeit at the lowest
level) of a terrorist organization?
--
choro-nik
********

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
I admit I don't know much more about Turkish other than very few
greetings and curses. Merhaba, Gun Aydin (I had a professor named
Aydin, a dear, kind chap), Sikhtir.. and I know that the word "cep",
referring to cell phones, means pocket.. however..
England was first Celtic then German then French. English is a
Germanic language whose closest relative is Dutch. King Arthur was a
Roman Celt repelling the Germans. I had a great (tough) 12th
grade English teacher who made us read Beowulf and Chaucher in the
original language: Beowulf looks German and Chaucher looks French. The
British aristocracy was all French. Furthermore I read recently that
150yrs ago large chunks of what is now France spoke German. I am also
aware that the German monk, Martin Luther, resented having to speak
French to royal authorities.
- = -
Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully
disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together]

Ali Asker

2006-06-14 22:50:28 UTC

What is the gospel truth? Do you want me to accept that everything is
coming from the Turkish people, You even claim that humanity first
originated from the *tURk*s?

Well, surely this proves that turkish is not your mother tongue! When and
where did you learn turkish?

Surely it is for _me_ to ask YOU this question.

You know as well as me that I was given no other choise but to learn turkish
language! In turkey, it does not matter either you are an Armenina, Greek,
Kurd or an Arab you still have to take an ought every single day in school
that "You are a *tURk* and you are always right", you have to memorise the
turkish national anthem including a lot of scripts written by the fascist
"ataturk"! Turkish schools in Kurdistan always surounded with heavily armed
turkish army and the police, if you speak a word of Kurdish in the school by
an accident then you go through correction department under the basement of
the school which mostly the teacher is given directions about the torture
methods by an army officer or the police.

Post by choro-nik
I learned my mother tongue from my mother who was Turkish as was my father.
Does it really matter that I am a Turkish Cypriot and that I learned my
mother tongue in Cyprus?

You, see what I mean. Kurdish people want as same rights as Turkish people
in Cyprus which even enjoyed before the invasion of the iseland! You are
saying that Kurds can not achive their goals throug terrorism, if you call
the defencive actions of the Kurdish people as terrorism then what would you
call the turkish state's continues aggression and the oppression in
Kurdistan? People can't even allowed to learn their mother tongue, Kurdish
people can not even name their children with Kurdish names, Kurdish people
can't even call themselves Kurds or can't even call their land Kurdistan! Do
you really think that the international community should invade Turkey as
Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 for a few thousands of *tURk*s which millions
of Kurds live in Turkey!

The "HATIR" in above context used as "value" or "deger" in Turkish. It
has nothing to do with remembering anything!

You are an idiot if you think that "HATIR" in this context has anything to
do with money.

I did not use "deger" as the context of money but rather like a spiritual
value or a favour.

Post by choro-nik
I should add that "HATIR" is the very antithesis of this. In colloquial
language you might, when you are purchasing something, "Cezasi ne dir?"
("What is the CEZA (punishment) for this?") but never "What is the HATIR
for this?". The very concept of HATIR eliminates any thought in money or
materialistic terms. Or as they say in English, "It is the thought that
counts".
However, if or should I say because YOU are a materialistic person you
might start thinking about repaying a favor done to you in money terms and
thus completely misconstrue the very concept of HATIR.

As I said above that I did not use this word in the context of money! But I
don't blame you because turkish is not a proper language and it has a lot of
twists and turns, it takes thousands of years for a language to become
proper and worth any value in the international community.

Hatirlamak is "to remember" but "hatIr" has completely different meaning
on it's own!

HATIR is but two suffixes removed from HATIRLAMAK, the actual verb meaning
"to remember".
HATIR > HATIRLA > HATIRLAMAK

Stop repeating yourself as you are talking to the *tURk*s! Remember, we are
not *tURk*s!

HATIR and HATIRLA have no relation at all, they both have completely
different meanings.

Post by choro-nik
You also have HATIR > HATIRA (memoirs)
If you need another example of how words are developed in this fashion in
Turkish try this...
KARA > KARALA* > KARALAMA > KARALAMAK
"Kara" is of course the Turkish word meaning "black" (the order) and don't
anybody try to question the Turkish origins of this word as I will have to
ask you how the KaraKum Desert (BlackSand Desert) got its name. You have
been warned!!!

:-) You are really a confused turkish idiot LOL, LOL, LOL! So, if the Kara
means BLACK (!) then what is SiYAH means? Do you think bot of them have the
same root word?

Post by choro-nik
*Karala, literally the order to "black (something or other)", is used in
Turkish as in "Birseyler kara-la-dim" meaning "I scribbled something
down." (The hyphens inserted as a visual aid only)

Don't worry because it is not just you but whole fucken turkish nation
confused about their language. You see, people in turkey don't read a lot
even the best writers in Turkey being ignored by the public not becuase they
write bad but because they try to write in Turkish and as you know even the
simple words in turkish language would be debated for years about their
corrective use in the writings. But as soon as you translate these writers
books into other languages suc as english, russion or german then they
became hits in the respected countries and even in turkey as well ie, Yasar
Kemal, Nazim Hikmet, Aziz Nesin, Orhan Pamuk and etc,. Some of them even
been nominated for nobel prices but these writers books in turkey stays in
the shelves without anyone even looking at them.

Post by choro-nik
From HATIR we also get HATIRA (memoirs)

LOL, I have never said memory and memoirs are unrelated I SAID "HATIR" and
"HATIRA" are unrelated!

See my response above, you imbecile!

Turkish langauge which is used in Turkey today have at leat %80 of its
words are coming from other languages namely Greek, Kurdish, Persian, Arab
and Armenian and of course western words. This is not my theory but it has
been proven by the experts both in Turkey and outside of Turkey and it was
made public by the Turkish langauge association!

Post by choro-nik
Of course not. Why would I make a fool of myself over such a natural
phenomenon as the osmosis of words between languages?

So, then do not insist on a word being definately created by your people!

Of course I do because it is a basic, fundamental Turkish word the
different forms of which foreigners find difficult to understand because
they have not learned Turkish as their mother tongue!

So, Turkish as a language didn't even exist in Turkey before the 20s (!!!)
as you claim. How strange?!!! I suppose Arabic does not exist in Iraq
either because the Kurds are trying to split Iraq apart.

Would you go and fight for Arabs against the Kurds if Iraq splits?

OR, _you_ don't even have any concept of the idea of a favor done to you
or about the moral obligation of repaying it if and when the occasion
arises, OR indeed about the concept of "having a healthy respect" for
anybody whether due to their position in society or for some favor they
have done for you..
No wonder you find it impossible to grasp the meaning of "HATIR" !

I know exactly what it means "XATIR" but not the way you *tURk*s understands
it as this word is used in Kurdish as well as in Greek, Pontian, Romanian
even may be in persian language as well!

Post by choro-nik
But then what can one expect of the spokesperson (albeit at the lowest
level) of a terrorist organization?

Stop calling the Kurdish people terrorists! Kurds did not banned your
language,Kurds did not killed millions of your people, Kurds did not burned
your houses, Kurds did not made millions of your people homeless and send
them to exile, Kurds did not change your childrens names, city names or your
country's name!

Post by choro-nik
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Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
I admit I don't know much more about Turkish other than very few
greetings and curses. Merhaba, Gun Aydin (I had a professor named
Aydin, a dear, kind chap), Sikhtir.. and I know that the word "cep",
referring to cell phones, means pocket.. however..
England was first Celtic then German then French. English is a
Germanic language whose closest relative is Dutch. King Arthur was a
Roman Celt repelling the Germans. I had a great (tough) 12th
grade English teacher who made us read Beowulf and Chaucher in the
original language: Beowulf looks German and Chaucher looks French. The
British aristocracy was all French. Furthermore I read recently that
150yrs ago large chunks of what is now France spoke German. I am also
aware that the German monk, Martin Luther, resented having to speak
French to royal authorities.
- = -
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully
disclaimed.}---
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BabaTurk

2006-06-17 20:12:34 UTC

"Ali Asker" the Armenian liar wrote in message news:Uo0kg.40117$***@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
<snip Armenian lies>

Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Panta Rhei

2006-06-17 21:08:46 UTC

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment
you accuse others of being liars! In short: you are a true Turkish piece
of shit!

BabaTurk

2006-06-18 08:47:03 UTC

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment

Tell us more tales, you Armenian propaganda liar in Greeks' clothing!
See here:

**********************************************************************
THE PROOF THAT "Ali Asker" IS NOT A KURD, BUT AN ARMENIAN WHO MISUSES THE KURDS!
The Armenian propaganda machinery just works this way: by misusing others!

He has posted the following message (and other similar ones).

The subject reads "KURDS RENEW MASSACRES OF ARMENIANS"

Now, ask yourself whether a Kurd ever would post such a message? :-)

Then ask yourself who else would post such a message...
Right, "Ali Asker" IS AN ARMENIAN!

(BTW, don't believe the message below, as MOST of these propaganda
messages are simply FABRICATED by the Armenian propaganda machinery,
to whom also "Ali Asker" and "Armen" belong!!!)

########
!Path: ...!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe5-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
!From: "Ali Asker" <***@kurdistan.kd>
!Newsgroups:
alt.culture.armenian,alt.politics.europe.misc,alt.politics.usa.congress,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.french,so
c.culture.greek,soc.culture.kurdish,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.usa
!Subject: KURDS RENEW MASSACRES OF ARMENIANS
!Lines: 28
!X-Priority: 3
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!X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
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!Message-ID: <o3C0g.24309$***@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>
!Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:20:20 GMT
!NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.99.88.142
!X-Complaints-To: http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport
!X-Trace: newsfe5-gui.ntli.net 1145236820 81.99.88.142 (Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:20:20 BST)
!NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:20:20 BST
!Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service
!
! KURDS RENEW MASSACRES
! NEW YORK TIMES
!
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
! Attacks on Christians in Armenia Become Violent
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
!
! MAY 1, 1915
!
! JULFA, Transcaucasia, April 29, (via Petrograd and London, April 30.)-- A
!renewal of the recent massacres of Christians Armenia is in the progress in
!the whole district of Lake Van.
!
!Conflict between the Armenians and the Kurds are daily becoming more
!obdurate. An exceptionally fierce engagement occurred today at Shatasch.
...
########

Panta Rhei

2006-06-18 12:13:17 UTC

Post by BabaTurk

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment

Tell us more tales, you Armenian propaganda liar in Greeks' clothing!
**********************************************************************
THE PROOF THAT "Ali Asker" IS NOT A KURD, BUT AN ARMENIAN WHO MISUSES THE KURDS!
The Armenian propaganda machinery just works this way: by misusing others!

Not all people are primitive folks like the tURks!!! The Kurds have
officially owned up and apologized for the part they had in those
massacres. The Kurds show character and courage, something the coward,
fascist and denialist tURks of your sort lack completely.

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment
you accuse others of being liars! In short: you are a true Turk!

gogu

2006-06-10 11:26:47 UTC

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

I am not looking for "things that don't exist" but you'd be surprised to
know how many words that you'd never think they come from a given language,
they actually do!
So from the moment you (and I) are not a qualified linguist I say that you
(or I) can't be sure for anything!

You are wrong because your knowledge of Greek is quite limited.
"Hari" means all the above *but* it is also used in the context of "sake"!
"kane to gia xari moy" for instance!

Choro, I am not listening to anyone!
Bare in mind that many of my Greek compatriots told me the same about
you:-)))
If you remember they've asked me again and again how I do discuss with "a
rabid anti-Greek and a lowlife" like you!
My answer to them is valid for you, too: I'll discuss with *anyone* who will
discuss politely with me!
I may disagree with that person but that will be in the limits of a decent
dialogue.
So since Ali was never rude with me, sorry but I'll discuss with him.
If for example and by a great miracle Seanie (well, whoever is hiding behind
that nick...) starts talking decently, I'll have no problem to discuss with
him, too!
Simple like that!

Of course "talking" does not mean "sharing his/her views"...

choro-nik

2006-06-11 00:53:38 UTC

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

I am not looking for "things that don't exist" but you'd be surprised to
know how many words that you'd never think they come from a given
language, they actually do!
So from the moment you (and I) are not a qualified linguist I say that you
(or I) can't be sure for anything!

I am no chef but I can cook, and cook well. And common sense tells me that a
word that exists in the Turkic languages all the way to china must be a word
of Turkic origin. I explained what HATIR means in Turkish, I gave an example
of the use of the word in the Uighur Turkic language used in China. Now, and
this will be the last example I give, I am giving an example from a
Turkmen-English dictionary which I am pasting below...

hatyra = respect, esteem

Please note that the letter y here is used to denote the letter i without
the dot which precedes the dotted i in the Turkish alphabet. Therefore I can
type it out properly in caps. Thus hatyra would properly be written as
HATIRA in the Turkish language of Turkey. Please remember what I said about
the fact that the word is derived from HATIRLAMAK which means TO REMEMBER.
Thus HATIRA is something to do with your recollections. It can be one's
recollections as in momoir books, or it can be something you remember a
place or a person by i.e. a memento. I do not know to what extent this
dictionary is a work of academic excellence. My guess is that it is not. It
is merely the work of field workers posted to Turkmenistan. Most
dictionaries are not to the standards set by the Oxford or Merriam Webster
dictionaries. Actually and as a matter of fact that I have questioned quite
a few of the entries in the Oxford Turkish/English and Engslish/Turkish
dictionaries. Enough said, I think. I was after all employed for eight years
at a prestigious organization as a well paid translator in my 20s. I won't
tell you how long ago for that might reveal my age. Suffice it to say that
it was long ago.

I expect that the HATIRA entry in this particular dictionary actually gives
a definition of HATIR rather than HATIRA.

You are wrong because your knowledge of Greek is quite limited.
"Hari" means all the above *but* it is also used in the context of "sake"!
"kane to gia xari moy" for instance!

I know that expression as well, gogu. Th 8a me harisis tora? I do expect
something in return, you know!!!

I wanna a Bakhsheesh!!!;-))))))

Well, I think you can tell your Greek friends that this Turk is no rabid
anti-Greek. In fact I DO get along fine with Greeks. The problem with
Greek/Turkish relations are not on a personal level but on a communal level.
That's where the whole thing breaks down. But on a personal level I think
that most Greeks and Turks get along just fine. The few exceptions just
prove the rule. Unfortunately when it comes to communal interaction between
Greeks and Turks a few bad apples spoil the game. You only need one
extremist among a thousand to wreak havoc in inter-communal relations.

Post by gogu
My answer to them is valid for you, too: I'll discuss with *anyone* who
will discuss politely with me!
I may disagree with that person but that will be in the limits of a decent
dialogue.
So since Ali was never rude with me, sorry but I'll discuss with him.
If for example and by a great miracle Seanie (well, whoever is hiding
behind that nick...) starts talking decently, I'll have no problem to
discuss with him, too!
Simple like that!

Ali Asker, the resident Alley Cat, is a fanatic extremist. Sorry, but I draw
the line there. Every time he opens his mouth he spews hatred. I am quite
convinced that he is a right proper social misfit. He is only pretending to
be friendly with Greeks and Armenians because it serves his purpose.

Re Seanie, if you remember I DID advise him a while ago to end the
recriminations. I don't know what it is between you two, but you seem
obsessed with one another. He certainly keeps attacking you but you are not
helping matters by refraining for answering back all the time. Quite frankly
I don't think that either you or Seanie are "badies" but then this is none
of my business. I am keeping right out of it.

Post by gogu
Of course "talking" does not mean "sharing his/her views"...

Of course not, gogu, of course not. We all know that!!! ;-(((((((((((((
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Ali Asker

2006-06-11 14:20:16 UTC

Post by choro-nik
gogu, don't try to look for things that do not exist. I told you the
origin of the Turkish word "hatir" and I also explained how other words
were derived from the root word.

I am not looking for "things that don't exist" but you'd be surprised to
know how many words that you'd never think they come from a given
language, they actually do!
So from the moment you (and I) are not a qualified linguist I say that you
(or I) can't be sure for anything!

We gave you three different examples that this word is also used in Greek,
Kurdish and Romanian languages, why don't you eccept the fact that this word
is coomon to the most languages in Middle east and Europe with a different
meanings and it has been borrowed by the Altaic languages and used for their
own purpose! By the way stop calling the Altaic languages as turkic, you are
insulting the central asian people as they are not *tURk*s as you use this
word in turkey!

Post by choro-nik
of the use of the word in the Uighur Turkic language used in China. Now, and
this will be the last example I give, I am giving an example from a
Turkmen-English dictionary which I am pasting below...

Have you ever listen to the Turkman person from the Turkmenistan! The way
they speak and express themselves are much different then you *tURk*s.

Post by choro-nik
hatyra = respect, esteem

they may have this word in their dictionary but they don't use it at all
because it is not a Turkmen word!

Post by choro-nik
Please note that the letter y here is used to denote the letter i without
the dot which precedes the dotted i in the Turkish alphabet. Therefore I can
type it out properly in caps. Thus hatyra would properly be written as
HATIRA in the Turkish language of Turkey. Please remember what I said about
the fact that the word is derived from HATIRLAMAK which means TO REMEMBER.
Thus HATIRA is something to do with your recollections. It can be one's
recollections as in momoir books, or it can be something you remember a
place or a person by i.e. a memento. I do not know to what extent this
dictionary is a work of academic excellence. My guess is that it is not. It
is merely the work of field workers posted to Turkmenistan. Most
dictionaries are not to the standards set by the Oxford or Merriam Webster
dictionaries. Actually and as a matter of fact that I have questioned quite
a few of the entries in the Oxford Turkish/English and Engslish/Turkish
dictionaries. Enough said, I think. I was after all employed for eight years
at a prestigious organization as a well paid translator in my 20s. I won't
tell you how long ago for that might reveal my age. Suffice it to say that
it was long ago.

Fucken bull-shitter! You have very limited turkish language knowledge, you
don't speak well enough greek and you fucken learned the english language in
the school! Who the fuck in the right mind would employe you as a
translator, may be in the tourist board but surely not in a respectfull
organisation.

Post by choro-nik
I expect that the HATIRA entry in this particular dictionary actually gives
a definition of HATIR rather than HATIRA.

HATIR and HATIRA are both very different words which they have no relations
at all!

HATIR = respect, sake
HATIRA = rememberance

You are wrong because your knowledge of Greek is quite limited.
"Hari" means all the above *but* it is also used in the context of "sake"!
"kane to gia xari moy" for instance!

I know that expression as well, gogu. Th 8a me harisis tora? I do expect
something in return, you know!!!
I wanna a Bakhsheesh!!!;-))))))

All you are going to get is just kick in the ars!!! Fucken stupid *tURk*

Well, I think you can tell your Greek friends that this Turk is no rabid
anti-Greek. In fact I DO get along fine with Greeks. The problem with

LOL, LOL According to your sick mind, you have Kurdish friends as well! How
can a person as sick as you with extremism, fascism and racism could have
friends rather then *tURk*s?

Post by choro-nik
Greek/Turkish relations are not on a personal level but on a communal level.
That's where the whole thing breaks down. But on a personal level I think
that most Greeks and Turks get along just fine. The few exceptions just

I have never ever seen a *tURk* and a Greek get on well, unless the *tURk*
accepts the attrocities that his country comited against the Greek people in
the past and the present!

Post by choro-nik
prove the rule. Unfortunately when it comes to communal interaction between
Greeks and Turks a few bad apples spoil the game. You only need one
extremist among a thousand to wreak havoc in inter-communal relations.

You are the one who is acting like an extrimist. FUCKEN TURKISH DOG!

Ali Asker, the resident Alley Cat, is a fanatic extremist. Sorry, but I draw
the line there. Every time he opens his mouth he spews hatred. I am quite

You fucken have no line to draw, don't give me this turkish shit! I don't
hate Turkish people, I don't hate people that accepts the responsibilities
and fight against the Turkish terrorism and it does not matter either they
are *tURK*s, Greeks, Armenians or Arabs.

Post by choro-nik
convinced that he is a right proper social misfit. He is only pretending to
be friendly with Greeks and Armenians because it serves his purpose.

You fucken piece of Mongoloid Asian Monkey called a *tURk*! Unlike you
fucken dirty *tURk*s, we always lived in Asia Minor, it is natural for us to
have stronger relations with people in this region like Greeks, Armenians,
Assyrians, Arabs etc,!

Post by choro-nik
Re Seanie, if you remember I DID advise him a while ago to end the
recriminations. I don't know what it is between you two, but you seem

Yeahh, you have no idea at all you fucken poor dirty son of a *tURk*..

Post by choro-nik
obsessed with one another. He certainly keeps attacking you but you are not
helping matters by refraining for answering back all the time. Quite frankly
I don't think that either you or Seanie are "badies" but then this is none
of my business. I am keeping right out of it.

Your fucken support for him and other turkish NAZIS like yourself still in
the google archives! I am sure gogu knows this very well but if he require
any translation then I will be happy to translate every single article that
is writing by you in turkish!

Post by gogu
Of course "talking" does not mean "sharing his/her views"...

Of course not, gogu, of course not. We all know that!!! ;-(((((((((((((

You are a *tURK*, you made this clear over and over again in your previous
posts and even in this post! And be prepare to be treated like a *tURk*. I
have been in England and London, I know it really well how the *tURk*s are
treated over in London.. No fucken wonder you can't even go outside and
enjoy yourself in this sunny weather instead you sit in your room 24/7 and
type this fascistic, rascist and nationalist posts!

FUCKEN *tURk* IF YOU REALLY LOVE YOUR COUNTRY THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU
DOING IN ENGLAND!!!

GO BACK TO TURKEY YOU PIECE OF *tURk*...

Post by choro-nik
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gogu

2006-06-13 22:19:32 UTC

Post by gogu
I am not looking for "things that don't exist" but you'd be surprised to
know how many words that you'd never think they come from a given
language, they actually do!
So from the moment you (and I) are not a qualified linguist I say that you
(or I) can't be sure for anything!

I am no chef but I can cook, and cook well. And common sense tells me that a
word that exists in the Turkic languages all the way to china must be a word
of Turkic origin.

Stop right there my friend!
In linguistics there is not such a thing as "common sense"!
You'd be surprised to know how words that apparently look, say, Latin have a
*totally* different root!
Or you'd be surprised to see what is the root of a given language! Actually
it can be something you've never thought it could be!
So forget the "common sense" when it comes to linguistics and ask a
professional.

Post by choro-nik
I was after all employed for eight years
at a prestigious organization as a well paid translator in my 20s.

This is not making you an "expert linguist" choro!

Post by choro-nik
I won't
tell you how long ago for that might reveal my age. Suffice it to say that
it was long ago.

Yeah, I have a vague idea;-)

Post by gogu
You are wrong because your knowledge of Greek is quite limited.
"Hari" means all the above *but* it is also used in the context of "sake"!
"kane to gia xari moy" for instance!

I know that expression as well, gogu. Th 8a me harisis tora? I do expect
something in return, you know!!!

Sure, so the Greek word "hari" has the meaning of "sake" alas similar as the
Turkish "hatir"!
So if you are talking about "common sense", every possibility is opened;-)
But I am not going to say it's a Greek word, I'm just going to say that I am
not sure about the Turkish origin of that word!
The question could be which one was *first*.

Post by choro-nik
I wanna a Bakhsheesh!!!;-))))))

Sure, a "greek" coffee in Thessaloniki;-)

Post by gogu
Choro, I am not listening to anyone!
Bare in mind that many of my Greek compatriots told me the same about
you:-)))
If you remember they've asked me again and again how I do discuss with "a
rabid anti-Greek and a lowlife" like you!

Well, I think you can tell your Greek friends that this Turk is no rabid
anti-Greek.

You should tell them but IMO you should back it up with actions...

Post by choro-nik
Unfortunately when it comes to communal interaction between
Greeks and Turks a few bad apples spoil the game. You only need one
extremist among a thousand to wreak havoc in inter-communal relations.

True.

Ali Asker, the resident Alley Cat, is a fanatic extremist.

I couldn't say but this is *your* opinion.

Post by choro-nik
Sorry, but I draw
the line there.

Good for you.
My line is drawn there, as I said before: at the point you are insulting me
and becoming rude!
I will discuss with anyone who is talking politely!

Post by choro-nik
Every time he opens his mouth he spews hatred.

Well, he can say the same about you, so I think it's something you must
understand between you...

Post by choro-nik
I am quite
convinced that he is a right proper social misfit. He is only pretending to
be friendly with Greeks and Armenians because it serves his purpose.

I am not so sure but my opinion has no value for you, you are entitled to
your own opinion.

Post by choro-nik
Re Seanie, if you remember I DID advise him a while ago to end the
recriminations. I don't know what it is between you two, but you seem
obsessed with one another.

You are not honest here!
As everybody can see:
- I am not replying to his FLAMES at a proportion of 99% but he is STALKING
me around in various ngs!
- I am not using filthy language in the 1% of the times I'm replying to him,
but as everybody can see his postings are full of foul language, insults
about my wife and children, and so on!
If you are saying you are "fair" it's time to prove it with actions and not
only words!
Or you are just trying to find an excuse for him...

Post by choro-nik
He certainly keeps attacking you but you are not
helping matters by refraining for answering back all the time.

Are you lying or you are just misinformed?!!!
As I said I am answering *only* 1% of his postings addressed to me, so hoe
can you sustain that I "answering back all the time"?!!!!!
As I said, you are lying or you are misinformed!
Do a Google search and you'll see that for more than 2 years I am ignoring
him at a proportion of 99%!
If you are saying this is not true, please PRESENT your proofs!
Or admit you were wrong!

Post by choro-nik
Quite frankly
I don't think that either you or Seanie are "badies" but then this is none
of my business. I am keeping right out of it.

Sure, it suits you;-)
But you are asking me not to keep out of the choro/Ali dispute;-)
LOL

Post by gogu
Of course "talking" does not mean "sharing his/her views"...

Of course not, gogu, of course not. We all know that!!! ;-(((((((((((((

choro-nik

2006-06-14 10:55:28 UTC

I am no chef but I can cook, and cook well. And common sense tells me
that
a
word that exists in the Turkic languages all the way to china must be a word
of Turkic origin.

Stop right there my friend!
In linguistics there is not such a thing as "common sense"!

But it is even though it might be based on one's existing linguistic
knowledge. It certainly is not a cut and dried "science" is splitting up
water molecules and getting 2 atoms of Hydrogen and 1 atom of Oxygen. Or
putting those atoms together again and getting a molecule of water.

Even the most expert linguists are proven wrong in their assumptions, and
they can only be assumptions, when another linguist comes up with more
information. Take for example the Altaic Languages which linguists have now
split into 2 sub-brances.

Post by gogu
You'd be surprised to know how words that apparently look, say, Latin have a
*totally* different root!

That is true but only to a certain extent. There is always a connection
between etymologically related words as otherwise they would not be
otherwise etymologically connected at all. However, I must also admit that
the relationship between two different words can be subtle and not
always glaring one in the eye.

Post by gogu
Or you'd be surprised to see what is the root of a given language! Actually
it can be something you've never thought it could be!

As they say, if you don't know something, you never miss it.

Post by gogu
So forget the "common sense" when it comes to linguistics and ask a
professional.

Common Sense can be used logically or illogically. That is the difference.
Actually the so called Common Sense is not so common after all. Most
peoples' thinking is neither logical nor sensible.

Now, I have no doubt that you know the meaning of "Hatiri" in Greek which I
say and which you suggested came from the Turkish "hatir" -- and gogu,
please do not change your tune now for I shall lose the respect I have for
you.

Here is what "Ali Asker" suggested... that if came from the Kurdish word...
(and I copy and paste it here from a google search with the key words as Ali
Asker and the exact words as hat = come)

http://groups.google.com/groups?&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all&as_dt=i&as_rights=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg&q=Ali%20Asker%20%22hat%20%3D%20come%22

in which as you will see, he claims that "hatir" came from the Kurdish word
"hat" meaning "come". But exactly how a word meaning "to come" has come to
mean "respect" I fail to comprehend. Does it make sense to you? Does it make
sense to anybody?

Post by choro-nik
I was after all employed for eight years
at a prestigious organization as a well paid translator in my 20s.

This is not making you an "expert linguist" choro!

Post by choro-nik
I won't
tell you how long ago for that might reveal my age. Suffice it to say that
it was long ago.

Yeah, I have a vague idea;-)

No comments!!!

Post by gogu
You are wrong because your knowledge of Greek is quite limited.
"Hari" means all the above *but* it is also used in the context of "sake"!
"kane to gia xari moy" for instance!

I know that expression as well, gogu. Th 8a me harisis tora? I do expect
something in return, you know!!!

Sure, so the Greek word "hari" has the meaning of "sake" alas similar as the
Turkish "hatir"!

Sorry gogu but you are wrong. Someone has "hari" like JFK had "hari/chari"
or "harisma/charisma". I know enough Greek to understand "Charisma" without
having to resort to dictionaries as I have a grasp of the root word in
Greek. But something that is given as a "harisma" as in "mou to eharise"
means "(he) donated it to me/gave it to me free (as a gift)". Isn't what I
am saying true?

And I am not trying to butter you up. I am being as factual as I can
possibly be.

But when it comes to Greek "hari" versus Greek "hatiri", don't you think
that IF "hatiri" is based on "hari" it should logically be "hariti"? But it
isn't. It is "hatiri". In Greek you have...

HARI > HARISE > HARISMA

In Turkish we have..

HATIR > HATIRA > HATIRLA > HATIRLAMA/K

As you will note, two completely different words with two completely
different meanings and word derivations.

Post by gogu
So if you are talking about "common sense", every possibility is opened;-)
But I am not going to say it's a Greek word, I'm just going to say that I am
not sure about the Turkish origin of that word!

What you are forgetting is that "hari" and "hatir" (or "hatiri" as you have
changed it into in Greek) are two different words with two completely
different meanings.

Post by gogu
The question could be which one was *first*.

There cannot be a question of which came words as "hari" and "hatir/hatiri")
are unrelated to one another.

Post by choro-nik
I wanna a Bakhsheesh!!!;-))))))

Sure, a "greek" coffee in Thessaloniki;-)

Why not but surely we can get the chap to brew the real thing, I mean
Turkish Coffee, for us. I can assure you it will taste exactly the same. The
taste will not depend on whether it is the original Turkish coffee or the
copycat Greek coffee but rather on the quality of the beans, how they are
roasted and ground and how the final cup of coffee is brewed.:-)))

But you know what, gogu, I experimented with making coffee straight in the
coffee cup using very hot water and the end product is pretty good. So good
in fact that I have started making it straight in the cup. You give it a
try. It is the lazy way of making coffee whether you call it Turkish or
Greek.

Well, I think you can tell your Greek friends that this Turk is no rabid
anti-Greek.

You should tell them but IMO you should back it up with actions...

You mean support the Greek "cause"? Certainly not!!! "causes" are what cause
the misery!!! But I have never been and never will be anti-Greek. Does it
make sense to you?

True.

Yes, true. If only it weren't for the "causes"...

Ali Asker, the resident Alley Cat, is a fanatic extremist.

I couldn't say but this is *your* opinion.

I just wonder what you'd have to say about him had he been doing the same
thing for a Greek secessionist terrorist movement?

Personally I am against secessionism whether in Turkey, Spain, the UK or
Timbuktu or Xanadu.

Post by choro-nik
Sorry, but I draw
the line there.

Good for you.
My line is drawn there, as I said before: at the point you are insulting me
and becoming rude!
I will discuss with anyone who is talking politely!

Which "Ali Asker" hardly ever does. He won't even key in the word "Turk"
properly. Instead he keys in *tURk*. Boy, oh boy, how sophisticated this
Alley Cat is...

Post by choro-nik
Every time he opens his mouth he spews hatred.

Well, he can say the same about you, so I think it's something you must
understand between you...

Post by choro-nik
I am quite
convinced that he is a right proper social misfit. He is only pretending to
be friendly with Greeks and Armenians because it serves his purpose.

I am not so sure but my opinion has no value for you, you are entitled to
your own opinion.

Post by choro-nik
Re Seanie, if you remember I DID advise him a while ago to end the
recriminations. I don't know what it is between you two, but you seem
obsessed with one another.

You are not honest here!
- I am not replying to his FLAMES at a proportion of 99% but he is STALKING
me around in various ngs!
- I am not using filthy language in the 1% of the times I'm replying to him,
but as everybody can see his postings are full of foul language, insults
about my wife and children, and so on!
If you are saying you are "fair" it's time to prove it with actions and not
only words!
Or you are just trying to find an excuse for him...

Post by choro-nik
He certainly keeps attacking you but you are not
helping matters by refraining for answering back all the time.

I am "gona" stay right out of this.... This is dangerous territory for me.
You both seem obsessed with one another.
--
choro-nik
********

Post by choro-nik
Quite frankly
I don't think that either you or Seanie are "badies" but then this is none
of my business. I am keeping right out of it.

Sure, it suits you;-)
But you are asking me not to keep out of the choro/Ali dispute;-)
LOL

Post by gogu
Of course "talking" does not mean "sharing his/her views"...

Of course not, gogu, of course not. We all know that!!! ;-(((((((((((((

Why's that :-( ?!
Am I supposed to share the opinions of every interlocutor?!
I am not sharing at 100% your opinions and I am not sharing Ali's opinions
at 100%!
This is normal and democratic, only in dictatorships people "agree" at 100%!
Sorry but I don't get what you want to say here!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

gogu

2006-06-14 22:14:19 UTC

Post by choro-nik
I am no chef but I can cook, and cook well. And common sense tells me
that
a
word that exists in the Turkic languages all the way to china must be a word
of Turkic origin.

Stop right there my friend!
In linguistics there is not such a thing as "common sense"!

It certainly is not a cut and dried "science" is splitting up
water molecules and getting 2 atoms of Hydrogen and 1 atom of Oxygen. Or
putting those atoms together again and getting a molecule of water.

True.

Post by choro-nik
Even the most expert linguists are proven wrong in their assumptions, and
they can only be assumptions, when another linguist comes up with more
information. Take for example the Altaic Languages which linguists have now
split into 2 sub-brances.

Sure, in some matters.
But this is not an excuse to not ask one if we don't know something!
Two doctors can give you two different opinions on a certain medical matter
but this is not making us to ask the madame who reads in the ... coffee when
we are sick, right?!

Post by gogu
You'd be surprised to know how words that apparently look, say, Latin
have
a
*totally* different root!

That is true but only to a certain extent.

Nope, in a much larger extend.
When I was young my father used to subscribe to a monthly specialized
magazine and I still remember with what a surprise I was reading there the
root of many Greek (and not only...) words, I'd never thought of!

Post by choro-nik
There is always a connection
between etymologically related words as otherwise they would not be
otherwise etymologically connected at all.

Not true in too many cases!

Post by choro-nik
However, I must also admit that
the relationship between two different words can be subtle and not
always glaring one in the eye.

True.

Post by gogu
So forget the "common sense" when it comes to linguistics and ask a
professional.

Common Sense can be used logically or illogically. That is the difference.
Actually the so called Common Sense is not so common after all. Most
peoples' thinking is neither logical nor sensible.

True, but I repeat that in linguistics "common sense" has no place, or if
you want me to be more precise, it has a place but not in finding the roots
of the words...

Post by choro-nik
Now, I have no doubt that you know the meaning of "Hatiri" in Greek which I
say and which you suggested came from the Turkish "hatir" -- and gogu,
please do not change your tune now for I shall lose the respect I have for
you.

Do it if you want but please do it honestly and *only* if you have a valid
reason!
Because what you are saying her is again hmmmm ... let's say inaccurate!
Because I *never* said that I agree with what Ali said about the word hatir,
I said that he gave me food for thought and that I am not sure anymore if
first it was the Turkish word or the Greek counterpart!
Note that I *didn't* say I agree or disagree with that, I said that it's
just worth investigating!
To note that many words coming from a certain language they are
re-introduced to this language via ... another, third language!
This is "common sense" (LOL, OK "common knowledge")) to the linguists!

Post by choro-nik
I know that expression as well, gogu. Th 8a me harisis tora? I do expect
something in return, you know!!!

Sure, so the Greek word "hari" has the meaning of "sake" alas similar as the
Turkish "hatir"!

Sorry gogu but you are wrong.

I don't think so.

Post by choro-nik
Someone has "hari" like JFK had "hari/chari"
or "harisma/charisma". I know enough Greek to understand "Charisma" without
having to resort to dictionaries as I have a grasp of the root word in
Greek. But something that is given as a "harisma" as in "mou to eharise"
means "(he) donated it to me/gave it to me free (as a gift)". Isn't what I
am saying true?

Partially and I would suggest to resort to a dictionary if it's about a
language other than your/my mother tongue;-)
Because "harisma" has many meanings in Greek as for instance "gift" in the
sense "he is gifted by G-d"!
You can even retrieve the same meaning in the word "charismatic"!
So you are not quite correct in your above statement...

Post by choro-nik
And I am not trying to butter you up. I am being as factual as I can
possibly be.

OK.

Post by choro-nik
But when it comes to Greek "hari" versus Greek "hatiri", don't you think
that IF "hatiri" is based on "hari" it should logically be "hariti"? But it
isn't. It is "hatiri". In Greek you have...

No, I don't believe it should be "hatiri" as they are not so many other
Greek words!
In many words you can see *partial* roots of other words, it's not necessary
to see the exactly same word/root!
Many times the words are transformed, they don't stay unaltered.
But here it can be the case of the reintroduction of a word via a third
language as I've mentioned above so here it is the reason of the
"alteration"!
Why it can't be like that?...
Note that I'm just asking, not suggesting...

What you are forgetting is that "hari" and "hatir" (or "hatiri" as you have
changed it into in Greek) are two different words with two completely
different meanings.

As I said again, it can have the same meaning in certain situations!
"Geia xari moy" = "gia to hatiri moy"!

Post by gogu
The question could be which one was *first*.

There cannot be a question of which came words as "hari" and
"hatir/hatiri")
are unrelated to one another.

In your/my eyes!
If you would ask a linguist you may have a different answer.

Post by choro-nik
But you know what, gogu, I experimented with making coffee straight in the
coffee cup using very hot water and the end product is pretty good.

????
Bleah;-)))

Post by choro-nik
So good
in fact that I have started making it straight in the cup. You give it a
try. It is the lazy way of making coffee whether you call it Turkish or
Greek.

LOL
The same way the "frappe" coffee was invented in Syntagmatos square many
years ago;-)
Sorry, I prefer the traditional way!

Post by choro-nik
Well, I think you can tell your Greek friends that this Turk is no rabid
anti-Greek.

You should tell them but IMO you should back it up with actions...

You mean support the Greek "cause"?

Nope!
Just trying to be less provocative when you are discussing such matters...

Post by choro-nik
But I have never been and never will be anti-Greek. Does it
make sense to you?

Maybe but we are talking about *them*!

Post by choro-nik
Ali Asker, the resident Alley Cat, is a fanatic extremist.

I couldn't say but this is *your* opinion.

I just wonder what you'd have to say about him had he been doing the same
thing for a Greek secessionist terrorist movement?

Maybe the same as you!
At least I have the courage to admit it, I am still waiting for your condemn
of Seanie;-)))

Post by choro-nik
Personally I am against secessionism whether in Turkey, Spain, the UK or
Timbuktu or Xanadu.

Hmmm ... you may be against that and I am sharing your opinion, the problem
is if people living in those countries have the same opinion...
You see the problem is that if you have a minority of let's say under 10% of
your population, no one will sustain such dreams of secession...
The problem arises when it comes to numbers as 25% or even greater...
In that case it's difficult to deny a country to those people if they do
want it...
See the example of Serbia & Montenegro or of the entire Yugoslavia.

Post by gogu
Good for you.
My line is drawn there, as I said before: at the point you are insulting me
and becoming rude!
I will discuss with anyone who is talking politely!

Which "Ali Asker" hardly ever does.

Then why are you still discussing with him?!
Can't you ignore him as I do with Seanie?!

Post by choro-nik
He won't even key in the word "Turk"
properly. Instead he keys in *tURk*.

I have disagreed with that and I said it to Ali but the decision is his...
I've never called the Turks Turds and you will admit that I had thousands of
reasons to do that with a couple of the Turkish posters...

Post by choro-nik
Re Seanie, if you remember I DID advise him a while ago to end the
recriminations. I don't know what it is between you two, but you seem
obsessed with one another.

Post by choro-nik
He certainly keeps attacking you but you are not
helping matters by refraining for answering back all the time.

I am "gona" stay right out of this.... This is dangerous territory for me.
You both seem obsessed with one another.

In that case I insist that you are not fair!
I *AM NOT* replying to his drivel at a proportion of 99% in the last 2
years, so you can't seriously sustain that "we both seem obsessed with one
other"!
That would be true *only* if I was answering his flame which I *DON'T*!
So I suggest you to find a better line of defense of your protegee;-)
Who BTW is doing the worst harm (on Net) to the Turks, even greater than any
rabid anti-Turk:-)
Of course, the same is doing umu but he is rather an idiot;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Ali Asker

2006-06-14 23:07:50 UTC

I am no chef but I can cook, and cook well. And common sense tells me
that
a
word that exists in the Turkic languages all the way to china must be a word
of Turkic origin.

Stop right there my friend!
In linguistics there is not such a thing as "common sense"!

But it is even though it might be based on one's existing linguistic
knowledge. It certainly is not a cut and dried "science" is splitting up
water molecules and getting 2 atoms of Hydrogen and 1 atom of Oxygen. Or
putting those atoms together again and getting a molecule of water.
Even the most expert linguists are proven wrong in their assumptions, and
they can only be assumptions, when another linguist comes up with more
information. Take for example the Altaic Languages which linguists have now
split into 2 sub-brances.

Post by gogu
You'd be surprised to know how words that apparently look, say, Latin
have
a
*totally* different root!

Post by gogu
Or you'd be surprised to see what is the root of a given language! Actually
it can be something you've never thought it could be!

As they say, if you don't know something, you never miss it.

Post by gogu
So forget the "common sense" when it comes to linguistics and ask a
professional.

I have never ever even suggested that HATIR is coming from a Kurdish word!
You are simply lying again only thing that I said was we use the "XATIR" in
a different context!

Post by choro-nik
http://groups.google.com/groups?&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all&as_dt=i&as_rights=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wg&q=Ali%20Asker%20%22hat%20%3D%20come%22
in which as you will see, he claims that "hatir" came from the Kurdish word
"hat" meaning "come". But exactly how a word meaning "to come" has come to
mean "respect" I fail to comprehend. Does it make sense to you? Does it make
sense to anybody?

Well if you still insist that hatir and hatirlamak are both come from the
same root then I don't see anything wrong to say hat in Kurdish means come
and "xatire te" means goodbye!

Post by choro-nik
I was after all employed for eight years
at a prestigious organization as a well paid translator in my 20s.

This is not making you an "expert linguist" choro!

Post by choro-nik
I won't
tell you how long ago for that might reveal my age. Suffice it to say that
it was long ago.

Yeah, I have a vague idea;-)

No comments!!!

Post by gogu
You are wrong because your knowledge of Greek is quite limited.
"Hari" means all the above *but* it is also used in the context of "sake"!
"kane to gia xari moy" for instance!

I know that expression as well, gogu. Th 8a me harisis tora? I do expect
something in return, you know!!!

Sure, so the Greek word "hari" has the meaning of "sake" alas similar as the
Turkish "hatir"!

Sorry gogu but you are wrong. Someone has "hari" like JFK had "hari/chari"
or "harisma/charisma". I know enough Greek to understand "Charisma" without
having to resort to dictionaries as I have a grasp of the root word in
Greek. But something that is given as a "harisma" as in "mou to eharise"
means "(he) donated it to me/gave it to me free (as a gift)". Isn't what I
am saying true?
And I am not trying to butter you up. I am being as factual as I can
possibly be.
But when it comes to Greek "hari" versus Greek "hatiri", don't you think
that IF "hatiri" is based on "hari" it should logically be "hariti"? But it
isn't. It is "hatiri". In Greek you have...
HARI > HARISE > HARISMA
In Turkish we have..
HATIR > HATIRA > HATIRLA > HATIRLAMA/K
As you will note, two completely different words with two completely
different meanings and word derivations.

What you are forgetting is that "hari" and "hatir" (or "hatiri" as you have
changed it into in Greek) are two different words with two completely
different meanings.

Post by gogu
The question could be which one was *first*.

There cannot be a question of which came words as "hari" and
"hatir/hatiri")
are unrelated to one another.

Post by choro-nik
I wanna a Bakhsheesh!!!;-))))))

Sure, a "greek" coffee in Thessaloniki;-)

Why not but surely we can get the chap to brew the real thing, I mean
Turkish Coffee, for us. I can assure you it will taste exactly the same. The
taste will not depend on whether it is the original Turkish coffee or the
copycat Greek coffee but rather on the quality of the beans, how they are
roasted and ground and how the final cup of coffee is brewed.:-)))
But you know what, gogu, I experimented with making coffee straight in the
coffee cup using very hot water and the end product is pretty good. So good
in fact that I have started making it straight in the cup. You give it a
try. It is the lazy way of making coffee whether you call it Turkish or
Greek.

Well, I think you can tell your Greek friends that this Turk is no rabid
anti-Greek.

You should tell them but IMO you should back it up with actions...

You mean support the Greek "cause"? Certainly not!!! "causes" are what cause
the misery!!! But I have never been and never will be anti-Greek. Does it
make sense to you?

True.

Yes, true. If only it weren't for the "causes"...

Ali Asker, the resident Alley Cat, is a fanatic extremist.

I couldn't say but this is *your* opinion.

I just wonder what you'd have to say about him had he been doing the same
thing for a Greek secessionist terrorist movement?
Personally I am against secessionism whether in Turkey, Spain, the UK or
Timbuktu or Xanadu.

What about Cyprus? Do you support the turkish invasion of Cyprus and
secessionasim of this land? Do you support the turkish occupying force in
Kurdistan?

Post by choro-nik
Sorry, but I draw
the line there.

Good for you.
My line is drawn there, as I said before: at the point you are insulting me
and becoming rude!
I will discuss with anyone who is talking politely!

Which "Ali Asker" hardly ever does. He won't even key in the word "Turk"
properly. Instead he keys in *tURk*. Boy, oh boy, how sophisticated this
Alley Cat is...

Why don't you go and fuck yourself *tURk*...

Post by choro-nik
Every time he opens his mouth he spews hatred.

Well, he can say the same about you, so I think it's something you must
understand between you...

Post by choro-nik
I am quite
convinced that he is a right proper social misfit. He is only pretending to
be friendly with Greeks and Armenians because it serves his purpose.

I am not so sure but my opinion has no value for you, you are entitled to
your own opinion.

Post by choro-nik
Re Seanie, if you remember I DID advise him a while ago to end the
recriminations. I don't know what it is between you two, but you seem
obsessed with one another.

Post by choro-nik
He certainly keeps attacking you but you are not
helping matters by refraining for answering back all the time.

I am "gona" stay right out of this.... This is dangerous territory for me.
You both seem obsessed with one another.
--
choro-nik
********

Post by choro-nik
Quite frankly
I don't think that either you or Seanie are "badies" but then this is none
of my business. I am keeping right out of it.

Sure, it suits you;-)
But you are asking me not to keep out of the choro/Ali dispute;-)
LOL

Post by gogu
Of course "talking" does not mean "sharing his/her views"...

Of course not, gogu, of course not. We all know that!!! ;-(((((((((((((

BabaTurk

2006-06-17 20:12:46 UTC

"Ali Asker" the Armenian liar wrote in message news:aF0kg.22095$***@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
<snip Armenian lies>

Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Panta Rhei

2006-06-17 21:08:46 UTC

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment
you accuse others of being liars! In short: you are a true Turkish piece
of shit!

BabaTurk

2006-06-18 08:43:58 UTC

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment

Panta Rhei

2006-06-18 12:13:19 UTC

Post by BabaTurk

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment

sar3

2006-06-15 16:29:24 UTC

Post by choro-nik
But when it comes to Greek "hari" versus Greek "hatiri",

Hey fascist prick, here is a QUIZ for you:

What does the English-NOT-Greek "heart" has to do with the Greek "haris"?

Hope your IQ quantity is enough to "catch" the uncertainty.

choro-nik

2006-06-15 19:05:49 UTC

Didn't know that you had a heart (Greek or other) since you lost your heart
to that girl on the beach and she kept cuckolding you behind your back. You
have had no heart ever since -- neither Greek nor English nor any other
heart for that matter.

Listen to mamma, say your prayers and go to bed. It is long past your
bedtime.

--
choro-nik
*******

Post by sar3

Post by choro-nik
But when it comes to Greek "hari" versus Greek "hatiri",

What does the English-NOT-Greek "heart" has to do with the Greek "haris"?
Hope your IQ quantity is enough to "catch" the uncertainty.

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-13 02:16:38 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

choro-nik

2006-06-13 07:03:36 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

Ali Asker

2006-06-13 18:32:54 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

Did you ever heard of "Silk Way" or "Ipek Yolu"? Where most of Kurds,
Greeks, Pontians and Armenians went to the east and made business with the
mongolians! What do you think Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Pontians have sold
to the Uigurian people in return of silk!

Of course, the technology and the civilization!

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-14 10:55:27 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

You are talking out of your ass again. Those who used the Silk Road or the
"Ipek Yolu" as it is named in Turkish had better known Turkish or at least
had some idea of basic Turkic as the Turkics controlled most of the length
of the "Silk Road".

And the word HATIR with the same meaning exists amongst all Turkic speaking
peoples whether you like to admit it or not.
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Of course, the technology and the civilization!

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Ali Asker

2006-06-14 23:18:08 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

Did you ever heard of "Silk Way" or "Ipek Yolu"? Where most of Kurds,
Greeks, Pontians and Armenians went to the east and made business with
the mongolians! What do you think Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Pontians have
sold to the Uigurian people in return of silk!

:-) You are the one hell of a sick *tURk*! Silk Road was existed even before
the turkic language ever spoken by any tribes in central asia!

Post by choro-nik
And the word HATIR with the same meaning exists amongst all Turkic
speaking peoples whether you like to admit it or not.

Kurds don't speak turkic langauge or the Greeks and Romanians don't use the
turkic languages but we still use the same word so, claiming the word is
definately coming from the trukish language is completely nationalistic,
fascist and racist attitude to take by anyone!

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Of course, the technology and the civilization!

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-15 23:16:56 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living
in China borrowed it from Pontians?

Did you ever heard of "Silk Way" or "Ipek Yolu"? Where most of Kurds,
Greeks, Pontians and Armenians went to the east and made business with
the mongolians! What do you think Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Pontians
have sold to the Uigurian people in return of silk!

:-) You are the one hell of a sick *tURk*! Silk Road was existed even
before the turkic language ever spoken by any tribes in central asia!

Ondan da once Turkler anañin amindaydi, len ibne!

You asked for this one!!!

Post by choro-nik
And the word HATIR with the same meaning exists amongst all Turkic
speaking peoples whether you like to admit it or not.

Kurds don't speak turkic langauge or the Greeks and Romanians don't use
the turkic languages but we still use the same word so, claiming the word
is definately coming from the trukish language is completely
nationalistic, fascist and racist attitude to take by anyone!

So what you are saying here is that a word that exists in Turkic languages
all the way from Turkey to China as well as in the languages of peoples
under the sway of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire is not of Turkish origin
etymologically. That is some reasoning (!), you social misfit and supporter
of terrorism.

Had not Turkish citizens of Kurdish origins not been Presidents of the
Republic of Turkey in the past, had they not served Turkey as
Commanders-in-Chief in the Turkish Armed Forces, had they not been included
in Turkish cabinets, had they otherwise not been present at every level of
society, I might have even leant you an ear.

Neither you, nor the terrorist organization PKK represent the Kurdish people
of Turkey, you social misfit.

You are nothing but a stigma on the integrity of the Kurdish citizens of the
Republic of Turkey.
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Of course, the technology and the civilization!

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 00:35:24 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living
in China borrowed it from Pontians?

Did you ever heard of "Silk Way" or "Ipek Yolu"? Where most of Kurds,
Greeks, Pontians and Armenians went to the east and made business with
the mongolians! What do you think Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Pontians
have sold to the Uigurian people in return of silk!

:-) You are the one hell of a sick *tURk*! Silk Road was existed even
before the turkic language ever spoken by any tribes in central asia!

Ondan da once Turkler anañin amindaydi, len ibne!

What language is this? Mongolian?

Post by choro-nik
You asked for this one!!!

What?

Post by choro-nik
And the word HATIR with the same meaning exists amongst all Turkic
speaking peoples whether you like to admit it or not.

Kurds don't speak turkic langauge or the Greeks and Romanians don't use
the turkic languages but we still use the same word so, claiming the word
is definately coming from the trukish language is completely
nationalistic, fascist and racist attitude to take by anyone!

Why am I the supporter of the terrorism is that because I insist on this
word have no turkish origins? You fucken Mongoloid Asian Monkey called a
*tURk*

Post by choro-nik
Had not Turkish citizens of Kurdish origins not been Presidents of the
Republic of Turkey in the past, had they not served Turkey as
Commanders-in-Chief in the Turkish Armed Forces, had they not been
included in Turkish cabinets, had they otherwise not been present at
every level of society, I might have even leant you an ear.

Pull my another leg, you piece of *tURk*! How can a Kurdish person could be
a president of turkey if the turkish establishment does not even recognise
the existance of Kurdish people!!!

Post by choro-nik
Neither you, nor the terrorist organization PKK represent the Kurdish
people of Turkey, you social misfit.

Who fucken represent the Kurdish people? Is that the piece of *tURk*s like
you?

Post by choro-nik
You are nothing but a stigma on the integrity of the Kurdish citizens of
the Republic of Turkey.

Your so-called republic of turkey will be a history like Tito regime in
Yugoslavia or the communist regime in the USSR!

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Post by Ali Asker
Of course, the technology and the civilization!

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-18 18:16:59 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living
in China borrowed it from Pontians?

Did you ever heard of "Silk Way" or "Ipek Yolu"? Where most of Kurds,
Greeks, Pontians and Armenians went to the east and made business with
the mongolians! What do you think Greeks, Kurds, Armenians, Pontians
have sold to the Uigurian people in return of silk!

:-) You are the one hell of a sick *tURk*! Silk Road was existed even
before the turkic language ever spoken by any tribes in central asia!

Ondan da once Turkler anañin amindaydi, len ibne!

What language is this? Mongolian?

Post by choro-nik
You asked for this one!!!

What?

Don't pretend you don't know Turkish when you benefited from free state
education all the way to university level in Turkey. You are the dog that
bites the hand that feeds it, you social misfit.

Post by choro-nik
And the word HATIR with the same meaning exists amongst all Turkic
speaking peoples whether you like to admit it or not.

Kurds don't speak turkic langauge or the Greeks and Romanians don't use
the turkic languages but we still use the same word so, claiming the
word is definately coming from the trukish language is completely
nationalistic, fascist and racist attitude to take by anyone!

Why am I the supporter of the terrorism is that because I insist on this
word have no turkish origins? You fucken Mongoloid Asian Monkey called a
*tURk*

You know full well that the word HATIR is of Turkish origin.

Pull my another leg, you piece of *tURk*! How can a Kurdish person could
be a president of turkey if the turkish establishment does not even
recognise the existance of Kurdish people!!!

President Ozal was half of Kurdish Origin. President Koruturk who had
earlier been C-in-C of the Turkish Naval Forces was of Kurdish origin.
According to some President Inonu who was only second to Kemal Ataturk in
the history of the Republic of Turkey was of Kurdish origin. And who knows,
there might be more except that one has to dig deep into these things as
Turkish society does not delve into the ethnic origins of people, like when
Prime Minister appointed someone into the Cabinet and discovered only
accidentally that one of the ministers he had appointed was of Kurdish
origin.

And how about Ziya Gokalp, the foremost poet in Turkey at the time the
Republic of Turkey was set up, who was also of Kurdish origin?

How can you claim that there is discrimination based on peoples' ethnic
origins in Turkey when a person of Kurdish origins makes it all the way to
become the C-in-C of the Turkish Naval Forces and later serves the country
as the President of the Republic? Answer THAT you social misfit!

Post by choro-nik
Neither you, nor the terrorist organization PKK represent the Kurdish
people of Turkey, you social misfit.

Who fucken represent the Kurdish people? Is that the piece of *tURk*s like
you?

Post by choro-nik
You are nothing but a stigma on the integrity of the Kurdish citizens of
the Republic of Turkey.

Your so-called republic of turkey will be a history like Tito regime in
Yugoslavia or the communist regime in the USSR!

Dream on you racist fascist dog!!!

--
choro-nik
********
[....]

BabaTurk

2006-06-17 20:12:22 UTC

"Ali Asker" the Armenian liar wrote in message news:QO0kg.18320$***@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
<snip Armenian lies>

Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Panta Rhei

2006-06-17 21:08:47 UTC

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment
you accuse others of being liars! In short: you are a true Turkish piece
of shit!

BabaTurk

2006-06-18 08:46:16 UTC

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment

Panta Rhei

2006-06-18 12:13:18 UTC

Post by BabaTurk

Post by BabaTurk
<snip Armenian lies>
Hey Armenian piece of sh*t!
Piss off here!

Everyone here knows that Ali is a Kurd! As always, you lie the very moment

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-15 19:11:37 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri means in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

choro-nik

2006-06-15 20:46:41 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find HATIR in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.

No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.

Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find
the
same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-16 00:01:37 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find HATIR in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.
No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.
Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

No, I'm not wrong. And If I search for more, I will
find out that the word "hatir" comes from the
ancient aramaic, and if I search a little more,
I will find out that the aramaic language comes
from the Greek language, and then you won't
be happy.

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find
the
same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-16 10:50:11 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find HATIR in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.
No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.
Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

And why don't you?

'Cause you cunt?!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find
the
same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

gogu

2006-06-16 20:30:13 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find HATIR in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.
No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.
Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

As I said in the past, sometimes you sound *exactly* like Seanie...
And this is *not* a title of honor, believe me...
It's also making people wondering who's hiding behind the Seanie sock
puppet...
This is one of those rare times I wish I am wrong...
Honestly.

choro-nik

2006-06-16 22:48:22 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks
living
in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find HATIR in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.
No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.
Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation between
Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.
--
choro-nik
********

gogu

2006-06-17 12:17:33 UTC

Post by Karipidu Marianna
No, I'm not wrong. And If I search for more, I will
find out that the word "hatir" comes from the
ancient aramaic, and if I search a little more,
I will find out that the aramaic language comes
from the Greek language, and then you won't
be happy.

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-17 15:26:39 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud of their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be crude, but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Κωστα, εχεις δικειο. Δες τι λεει.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Το διαβασες? Προσεξες πως σκεφτεται?
Προσεξες ποσο ανοητα σκεφτεται?

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-17 17:21:55 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

Κωστα, εχεις δικειο. Δες τι λεει.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Το διαβασες? Προσεξες πως σκεφτεται?
Προσεξες ποσο ανοητα σκεφτεται?

Οπως λεει και ενα παλιο ρητο, Ανδρος χαρακτηρ
εκ λογων γνωριζεται (= a man's character is
known by his words).

choro-nik

2006-06-17 18:15:21 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a
totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud of their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be crude, but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Κωστα, εχεις δικειο. Δες τι λεει.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Το διαβασες? Προσεξες πως σκεφτεται?
Προσεξες ποσο ανοητα σκεφτεται?

Οπως λεει και ενα παλιο ρητο, Ανδρος χαρακτηρ
εκ λογων γνωριζεται (= a man's character is
known by his words).

Is that so, Marianna? Why don't you instead try to prove to me that 'HATIR'
as a word existed in ancient Greek? You can't find even one instance of it
in all that ancient text? Pity!!!

Try Phoenician or some other bygone language. With a bit of luck you might
even be able to find the exact word with a completely different meaning.
Still, you will have proved that 'HATIR' existed in some ancient language
and that therefore the word is not etymologically Turkish.

Like the word 'am' which is the Turkish equivalent of the word I used
before which got you all het up, is the same as 'am' in English (as in 'I
am') so therefore 'am' is not Turkish since it exists in the English
language, you 'amcik' (little cunt or 'mouni' or 'mounaki' in your
language)!!!

choro-nik
**********

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 00:37:48 UTC

Why don't you check the ancient turkic languages you piece of *tURk*! See if
you can find word called "HATIR" in their dictionary!! LOL LOL if such an
ancient language exists???

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud of their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be crude, but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person,
would
you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????
???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????, ?????? ????????
?? ????? ?????????? (= a man's character is
known by his words).

Is that so, Marianna? Why don't you instead try to prove to me that 'HATIR'
as a word existed in ancient Greek? You can't find even one instance of it
in all that ancient text? Pity!!!
Try Phoenician or some other bygone language. With a bit of luck you might
even be able to find the exact word with a completely different meaning.
Still, you will have proved that 'HATIR' existed in some ancient language
and that therefore the word is not etymologically Turkish.
Like the word 'am' which is the Turkish equivalent of the word I used
before which got you all het up, is the same as 'am' in English (as in 'I
am') so therefore 'am' is not Turkish since it exists in the English
language, you 'amcik' (little cunt or 'mouni' or 'mounaki' in your
language)!!!
choro-nik
**********

choro-nik

2006-06-18 10:54:16 UTC

According to Encyclopedia Britannica Turkic languages exist from the Balkans
all the way to China.

Or did you think that all this happened yesterday? Look up Altaic languages
and its sub-branch Turkic languages in any decent Encyclopedia, you
nitwit!!!

I have already proven to you that the Turkish word HATIR occurs in Turkic
languages in Turkey, Turkmenistan and Sinkiang (Xinjang) in China -- just
three spots in the geography of the Turkic belt of the world that stretches
all the way to China.

And it is the very special nuances of the Turkish word 'HATIR' meaning
"memory/respect etc" which make it very difficult to translate into other
languages that led to 'HATIR' creeping into the various other languages like
Greek, Romanian etc in regions of the world that came under the sway of the
Turkish Ottoman Empire.

But you try to convince us that it is from the Kurdish word "hat" meaning
"come".

I wonder whose "come" it was in your mother's vagina led to your conception.
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
Why don't you check the ancient turkic languages you piece of *tURk*! See
if you can find word called "HATIR" in their dictionary!! LOL LOL if such
an ancient language exists???

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the
conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud
of
their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be
crude,
but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her
pants
down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person,
would
you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????
???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????, ?????? ????????
?? ????? ?????????? (= a man's character is
known by his words).

Is that so, Marianna? Why don't you instead try to prove to me that 'HATIR'
as a word existed in ancient Greek? You can't find even one instance of it
in all that ancient text? Pity!!!
Try Phoenician or some other bygone language. With a bit of luck you might
even be able to find the exact word with a completely different meaning.
Still, you will have proved that 'HATIR' existed in some ancient language
and that therefore the word is not etymologically Turkish.
Like the word 'am' which is the Turkish equivalent of the word I used
before which got you all het up, is the same as 'am' in English (as in 'I
am') so therefore 'am' is not Turkish since it exists in the English
language, you 'amcik' (little cunt or 'mouni' or 'mounaki' in your
language)!!!
choro-nik
**********

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 23:38:19 UTC

Post by choro-nik
According to Encyclopedia Britannica Turkic languages exist from the
Balkans all the way to China.

So, you think that you are a Cineese now? Why don't you first make your mind
up about who you are? Are you a *tURk*, Mongolian, Chineese or Cyprian? If
you really thing that you are using the Turkenistan or Uzbekistan language
then why do you need a translater when you speak to these people? If you
thing that you are a Turkman or a Mongolian then why don't you have same
facial characteristics as these central Asian people?

Post by choro-nik
Or did you think that all this happened yesterday? Look up Altaic
languages and its sub-branch Turkic languages in any decent Encyclopedia,
you nitwit!!!

Your language is piece of shit, You don't even understand each other when
you talk or write!

Post by choro-nik
I have already proven to you that the Turkish word HATIR occurs in Turkic
languages in Turkey, Turkmenistan and Sinkiang (Xinjang) in China -- just
three spots in the geography of the Turkic belt of the world that
stretches all the way to China.

As I have said above, the language that you are using at the moment has
nothing to the with Turkmen or Sinkiang languages! It is mostly Greek,
Kurdish, Persian, Arabic, Armenian words that used in a caotic manner! You
need at least 1000 years to establish what Kurds, Armenians, Arabs and
Greeks have in their languages!

Post by choro-nik
And it is the very special nuances of the Turkish word 'HATIR' meaning
"memory/respect etc" which make it very difficult to translate into other
languages that led to 'HATIR' creeping into the various other languages
like Greek, Romanian etc in regions of the world that came under the sway
of the Turkish Ottoman Empire.

Ottomas were not the *tURk*s! *tURk* meant barbarian, backward, farmers in
European languages and the Ottoman Sultans would have killed you if you call
them *tURk*s!

Post by choro-nik
But you try to convince us that it is from the Kurdish word "hat" meaning
"come".

I have never said "XATIR" is coming from the Kurdish language because I do
not dispute with the words in any given languages!

Post by choro-nik
I wonder whose "come" it was in your mother's vagina led to your conception.

I knew your mother really well, DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT!

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
Why don't you check the ancient turkic languages you piece of *tURk*! See
if you can find word called "HATIR" in their dictionary!! LOL LOL if such
an ancient language exists???

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title
of
...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud
of
their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be
crude,
but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her
pants
down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person,
would
you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????
???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????, ?????? ????????
?? ????? ?????????? (= a man's character is
known by his words).

Is that so, Marianna? Why don't you instead try to prove to me that 'HATIR'
as a word existed in ancient Greek? You can't find even one instance of it
in all that ancient text? Pity!!!
Try Phoenician or some other bygone language. With a bit of luck you might
even be able to find the exact word with a completely different meaning.
Still, you will have proved that 'HATIR' existed in some ancient language
and that therefore the word is not etymologically Turkish.
Like the word 'am' which is the Turkish equivalent of the word I used
before which got you all het up, is the same as 'am' in English (as in 'I
am') so therefore 'am' is not Turkish since it exists in the English
language, you 'amcik' (little cunt or 'mouni' or 'mounaki' in your
language)!!!
choro-nik
**********

gogu

2006-06-20 21:11:41 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

Êùóôá, å÷åéò äéêåéï. Äåò ôé ëååé.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Ôï äéáâáóåò? Ðñïóåîåò ðùò óêåöôåôáé?
Ðñïóåîåò ðïóï áíïçôá óêåöôåôáé?

Ïðùò ëååé êáé åíá ðáëéï ñçôï, Áíäñïò ÷áñáêôçñ
åê ëïãùí ãíùñéæåôáé (= a man's character is
known by his words).

Valid in almost 90% of the cases...

choro-nik

2006-06-17 18:15:21 UTC

Need a shoulder to cry on, baby? Don't lean on gogu's shoulder. I'll give
you a shoulder to cry on instead.

Remember, you are talking to a bloody fucking Cypriot. It does not matter
that I am a Turk. I learned being rude from Greek Cypriots. And I CAN be
very, very rude.

If you can't take it, don't get into arguments with Cypriots -- Greeks OR
Turks!!! We are the same when it comes to being rude and crude.
--
choro-nik
********

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

Κωστα, εχεις δικειο. Δες τι λεει.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Το διαβασες? Προσεξες πως σκεφτεται?
Προσεξες ποσο ανοητα σκεφτεται?

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 00:43:51 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Need a shoulder to cry on, baby? Don't lean on gogu's shoulder. I'll give
you a shoulder to cry on instead.

So, how do they treat you in London *tURk*. Are you happy as a *tURk* living
in London?

Post by choro-nik
Remember, you are talking to a bloody fucking Cypriot. It does not matter
that I am a Turk. I learned being rude from Greek Cypriots. And I CAN be
very, very rude.

So, you are a *tURk*??? I knew it, you don't really need to tell us this
downside of you...

Post by choro-nik
If you can't take it, don't get into arguments with Cypriots -- Greeks OR
Turks!!! We are the same when it comes to being rude and crude.

So, you feel like you are as same as Greeks? Being rude and crude is not a
part of the Greek culture after all It wasn't the Greeks who genocided 1.5
million Armenians, It wasn't the Greeks who commited genocide against the
Pontians, Assyrians, Surryanis, Kurds and Arab people who lived centuries in
Asia-Minor! Finally it wasn't the Greeks who commited worst kind of
attrocities against the Cyprian people during the 1950 and 1974! Yes you
guessed it right it was the "tURk*s, *tURk*s and *tURk*s again....

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a
totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud of their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be crude, but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????
???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

choro-nik

2006-06-18 11:27:07 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Need a shoulder to cry on, baby? Don't lean on gogu's shoulder. I'll give
you a shoulder to cry on instead.

So, how do they treat you in London *tURk*. Are you happy as a *tURk*
living in London?

I am very happy, thank you. Just you start supporting terrorism within the
UK and I'll do much worse, much, much worse to you, you supporter of
terrorism.

You come here as an economic vagrant, unlawfully claim political asylum
fibbing your way around the laws and get all the benefits that only true
political refugees are entitled to and feel no obligation to this country.

How come you are a political refugee you crook, when you yourself stated
right here on these very NGs that you keep visiting Turkey?

Would a real political refugee in fear of his life visit the country he fled
from in the first place?

Which goes to prove that you are not a genuine political refugee but merely
someone who has fibbed his way round the laws of this country and living on
benefits you are not entitled to!!! In other words you are nothing but a
fraudster!!!

--
choro-nik
*******

[....]

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 23:49:19 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Need a shoulder to cry on, baby? Don't lean on gogu's shoulder. I'll
give you a shoulder to cry on instead.

So, how do they treat you in London *tURk*. Are you happy as a *tURk*
living in London?

I am very happy, thank you. Just you start supporting terrorism within the
UK and I'll do much worse, much, much worse to you, you supporter of
terrorism.

It is not the Kurds that who desparetly want to join the EU and everytime
who is turn down because of their human rights issues, military dictatorship
regime, fanatical islamism, bad treatment of her minorities, denials of
every single attrocities that comited against the humanity, Invading other
country, poor economical records and many many more like this reasons. It is
the *tURk*s at least the people that you brain washed them with the
turkishness *NONE EXISTANT NATIONALITY IN REALITY"

Post by choro-nik
You come here as an economic vagrant, unlawfully claim political asylum
fibbing your way around the laws and get all the benefits that only true
political refugees are entitled to and feel no obligation to this country.

I have no idea what you are talking about? Are you talking about yourself?

Post by choro-nik
How come you are a political refugee you crook, when you yourself stated
right here on these very NGs that you keep visiting Turkey?

I visit whereever and whenever I want! You *tURk*s will not stop me visiting
my own land KURDISTAN!

Post by choro-nik
Would a real political refugee in fear of his life visit the country he
fled from in the first place?

You must be mad, why would I fear *tURk*s like you? You are like a DOG, you
bark but you have no teeth to bite!

Post by choro-nik
Which goes to prove that you are not a genuine political refugee but
merely someone who has fibbed his way round the laws of this country and
living on benefits you are not entitled to!!! In other words you are
nothing but a fraudster!!!

Again, you must be talking about yourself? You fucken come to Britain
running away from the turkish army and their attrocities and as soon as you
found confi sit you bark agaist the people that who really saved you! Mainly
Greeks, British and European countries!

Post by choro-nik
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choro-nik
*******
[....]

gogu

2006-06-20 21:22:42 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Need a shoulder to cry on, baby? Don't lean on gogu's shoulder. I'll give
you a shoulder to cry on instead.
Remember, you are talking to a bloody fucking Cypriot. It does not matter
that I am a Turk. I learned being rude from Greek Cypriots.

???
Is this the excuse of a "wise" person?!!!
Well, if you think so...

Post by choro-nik
And I CAN be very, very rude.

Nice:-(
You must be proud of that!
(maybe you think that *only* you can be rude...).

Post by choro-nik
If you can't take it, don't get into arguments with Cypriots -- Greeks OR
Turks!!! We are the same when it comes to being rude and crude.

But at least some of us we are trying to control our temperament.
Obviously others do succeed, others don't...
Strange though that I would expect more wisdom and tolerance from a senior
citizen like you
(as per your words)...
Well, we live and learn...
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a
totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

Êùóôá, å÷åéò äéêåéï. Äåò ôé ëååé.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Ôï äéáâáóåò? Ðñïóåîåò ðùò óêåöôåôáé?
Ðñïóåîåò ðïóï áíïçôá óêåöôåôáé?

choro-nik

2006-06-17 23:45:39 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????

"Did you hear that? Did you hear that?" said Eva Peron to the admiral
walking next to her during her visit to Italy. "They called me a whore. They
actually called me a whore. " she added to which the admiral replied, "I
haven't been to see for 30 years but they still call me Admiral", the
admiral replied.

???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

The "anoita" thimking is in your mind, you ANOITA, you!!! May I suggest that
you read what you first wrote to realize what an "anoita" person YOU are.
And all over a simple Turkish word which has entered the Greek language and
which you are trying vehemently to deny. What for, you silli cunt?!!!

What is wrong with the osmosis of words between the Turkish and Greek
languages? Is it really such a bad thing that must be denied at all cost?

This, I just cannot stand. My blood boils over at such behaviour.

--
choro-nik
*******

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 00:51:51 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a
totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud of their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be crude, but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...
"Well" done choro, well done!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????

"Did you hear that? Did you hear that?" said Eva Peron to the admiral
walking next to her during her visit to Italy. "They called me a whore.
They actually called me a whore. " she added to which the admiral replied,
"I haven't been to see for 30 years but they still call me Admiral", the
admiral replied.

???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

You can not say that *HATIR* is a turkish word for sure because, Kurds uses
it, Greeks uses it, Armenians, uses it and even Persians uses it! So, shut
up and have a little respect for other more advances civilizations!

Post by choro-nik
What is wrong with the osmosis of words between the Turkish and Greek
languages? Is it really such a bad thing that must be denied at all cost?

Nobady is denying nothing, REMEMBER WE ARE NOT THE *tURk*s!!! *tURk*s are
the only race that have a culture of denial! Remember the Armenian Genocide,
Greek Genocide, Pontian Genocide, Kurdish Genocide, Arab Genocide, Assyrian
Genocide, Surryani Genocide etc, and finally worst kind of attrocoties
commited in Cyprus in our modern times which have been documented fully!

Post by choro-nik
This, I just cannot stand. My blood boils over at such behaviour.

Remember you are a *tURk*! In is a natural things that your blood boils all
the time because the feeling that knowing yourself a *tURk* makes you feel
like living in HELL all the time!

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

choro-nik

2006-06-18 10:54:16 UTC

[....]

Post by Ali Asker
You can not say that *HATIR* is a turkish word for sure because, Kurds
uses it, Greeks uses it, Armenians, uses it and even Persians uses it! So,
shut up and have a little respect for other more advances civilizations!

Of course they do. They all have one thing in common -- they all came under
the sway of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and borrowed the word from them.
HATIR is a Turkish word with its very own nuances that has no true
equivalent in those languages. So the simplest thing to do is to borrow the
word.

[....]

--
choro-nik
*******

Ali Asker

2006-06-18 23:52:00 UTC

Post by choro-nik
[....]

Post by Ali Asker
You can not say that *HATIR* is a turkish word for sure because, Kurds
uses it, Greeks uses it, Armenians, uses it and even Persians uses it!
So, shut up and have a little respect for other more advances
civilizations!

Of course they do. They all have one thing in common -- they all came
under the sway of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and borrowed the word from
them. HATIR is a Turkish word with its very own nuances that has no true
equivalent in those languages. So the simplest thing to do is to borrow
the word.

So, even the persians borrowed this word from the *tURk*s! Can you tell us
in what year or the century Persians come under the Ottoman rulling?

You need to educate yourself *tURk*!

You are getting old and trust me you will not born again never!

Post by choro-nik
[....]
--
choro-nik
*******

gogu

2006-06-20 21:26:56 UTC

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

?????, ????? ??????. ??? ?? ????.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

?? ????????? ???????? ??? ??????????

"Did you hear that? Did you hear that?" said Eva Peron to the admiral
walking next to her during her visit to Italy. "They called me a whore.
They actually called me a whore. " she added to which the admiral replied,
"I haven't been to see for 30 years but they still call me Admiral", the
admiral replied.

???????? ???? ?????? ??????????

The "anoita" thimking is in your mind, you ANOITA, you!!! May I suggest
that you read what you first wrote to realize what an "anoita" person YOU
are. And all over a simple Turkish word which has entered the Greek
language and which you are trying vehemently to deny. What for, you silli
cunt?!!!
What is wrong with the osmosis of words between the Turkish and Greek
languages? Is it really such a bad thing that must be denied at all cost?

Not at all but everybody has the right to *DISCUSS* it!
But here the question became "why a Turk like you must be rude with a Greek
female who never called you names"?!!!...
And from your responses above it's obvious you have not a valid reply...
Do you have such an inflated ego you can't even spell "sorry, I was
wrong"?!...
How sad that only Seanie jumped to your defense choro...
As I said, every day, more and more, you are trying hardly to prove your
enemies right...
And I as a Greek I am not happy to see your slip into vulgarity without a
reason...
(if you had a valid reason to be vulgar with her I wouldn't oppose your
reaction but this was not the case...).

PS
I certainly prefer the sock puppet Seanie, at least he is rude and
extremist and not trying to pass as a moderate...
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
This, I just cannot stand. My blood boils over at such behaviour.
--
choro-nik
*******

gogu

2006-06-20 21:09:24 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

Êùóôá, å÷åéò äéêåéï. Äåò ôé ëååé.

Blepw.

Post by gogu
Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

Ôï äéáâáóåò? Ðñïóåîåò ðùò óêåöôåôáé?
Ðñïóåîåò ðïóï áíïçôá óêåöôåôáé?

Ayto poy egw den perimena apo ton choro einai na einai vulgar me an8rwpoys
poy pote den htan vulgar me ayton...
Epishs blepw oto poles fores xrhsimopoiei ekfraseis taytoshmes me toy
Seanie.

choro-nik

2006-06-17 18:15:21 UTC

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

I see, you are forever a doubting Thomas.

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

You do take everything seriously, don't you, gogu?

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!

Hey, you sensitive soul! You don't know Cypriots yet. Greek or Turk they are
or rather they can be rather rude and crude. For us it is an art form. You
mainlanders are cold fish when it comes to cracking rude jokes amongst
friends.

Post by gogu
One wonders why among all people (many) Turks are those to be proud of their
crudeness when they have nothing more to say...
Every educated person would be ashamed to accept that he can be crude, but
obviously not some Turks...
Discouraging, really discouraging choro...

Mainland Turks are very straight and not crude. If they want to be rude,
they can be very rude in a very sophistocated fashion without being crude.
It is a very highly developed art form which you can observe from time to
time on stc providing you know Turkish of course. I tell you it is highly
sophisticated and can be very subtle the like of which I have not heard
amonst Greeks.

Post by gogu
"Well" done choro, well done!

You obviously don't know Cypriots -- be they Greeks or Turks. Unlike the
mainlanders, we use swear words freely. And we DO have a rude but healthy
sense of humor.
--
choro-nik
*******

gogu

2006-06-20 21:37:25 UTC

Post by choro-nik
'Cause you cunt?!

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

I see, you are forever a doubting Thomas.

Yes, this is rule number one in business...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

You do take everything seriously, don't you, gogu?

Not at all when they are coming from a***les but when they come from people
I use to have a certain respect, then yes, I do take everything seriously!
There are so few Greeks and Turks to be able to talk, so it's discouraging
to see that even those "moderates" gradually they are slipping to the
extremes...

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!

Hey, you sensitive soul! You don't know Cypriots yet. Greek or Turk they
are or rather they can be rather rude and crude. For us it is an art form.
You mainlanders are cold fish when it comes to cracking rude jokes amongst
friends.

Something tells me that I must take this with much precaution...
Sorry but I don't believe it.
I can be rude, too, if I want it but I try to keep a level with certain
persons.
Obviously those persons don't think the same...
Pity.

Mainland Turks are very straight and not crude. If they want to be rude,
they can be very rude in a very sophistocated fashion without being crude.

?
You really think that this is only a "quality" Turks have?!
Greeks can be rude, too, even in a sophisticated manner as you say but the
question here is not if they can be or not
rude, the question is what was your motivation to use the c word with
Marianna who at the bottom line was polite with you?!
As for your obsession that she is the old Marina (yes, I remember her, I
also
remember you making the same remark to Marianna some time ago...) I can
assure you she is not!
Marianna is a Pontian Greek just like me, Marina was not.

Post by choro-nik
It is a very highly developed art form which you can observe from time to
time on stc providing you know Turkish of course.

:-)
I do my best but I don't want to give up all my qualities;-)

Post by choro-nik
I tell you it is highly sophisticated and can be very subtle the like of
which I have not heard amonst Greeks.

LOL
Then you don't know many Greeks or you don't know the right ones;-)

Post by gogu
"Well" done choro, well done!

You obviously don't know Cypriots

I know them a bit but yes, I am not saying I am an expert on them.

Post by choro-nik
-- be they Greeks or Turks. Unlike the mainlanders, we use swear words
freely.

LOL
And you think us mainlander Greeks do not!:-)))
choro, now I am *sure* you know almost nothing about Greeks:-)))

Post by choro-nik
And we DO have a rude but healthy sense of humor.

So do we but we are trying (at least me) not to show it here and especially
with
persons that haven't offended me!
As for Marianna understanding your strange idea about humor, just read her
replies to me and you'll see she is not understands/appreciates your "humor"
at all...
I say that we have many rude people in here, at least let's try and keep a
lever between people who are not rude, is this so bad?!!!
Obviously it is for you...
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

choro-nik

2006-06-21 00:07:05 UTC

=============

Copied and pasted passage omitted by gogu.....

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

===================
Above passage copied and pasted from my previous posting which you
discarded, thus quoting me out of context. It is obvious to anybody that she
("Karipidu Marianna") was being rude, very rude and very discourteous to me.
If she has proof, let her provide the proof. If she hasn't, then she'd
better shut up.

Post by choro-nik
'Cause you cunt?!

This is the bit that you quoted from my posting, thus quoting me out of
context!!!

Post by Karipidu Marianna
As I said in the past, sometimes you sound *exactly* like Seanie...
And this is *not* a title of honor, believe me...
It's also making people wondering who's hiding behind the Seanie sock
puppet...
This is one of those rare times I wish I am wrong...
Honestly.

But you ARE wrong.
Honestly!!

I wish you are right but somehow I doubt it...

I see, you are forever a doubting Thomas.

Yes, this is rule number one in business...

Post by choro-nik
gogu, you are not supposed to be in this section of the conversation
between Marianna and me. So kindly keep out!

????
One more surprise for me to see this other face of yours, a
totalitarian,
netkop face
saying who has the right to be where in... Usenet!:-(
Every day more and more, more and more...
Bravo vasif!

You do take everything seriously, don't you, gogu?

I can say the same thing about you. I certainly am not slipping into
extremes. In fact I am trying hard not to slip to extremes in view of the
great provocations I am facing by extremists on your side.

Post by choro-nik
Especially since you are such a sensitive soul!

Much better than thick, don't you think choro?...

Post by choro-nik
I can be a bit crude at times, as you must have realized by now.

????
No, I hadn't realize it but I suppose you think at this as a title of ...
honor!!!!
Amazing!!!!

Hey, you sensitive soul! You don't know Cypriots yet. Greek or Turk they
are or rather they can be rather rude and crude. For us it is an art form.
You mainlanders are cold fish when it comes to cracking rude jokes amongst
friends.

There is no harm in occasional throwing caution to the winds, as they say.

Mainland Turks are very straight and not crude. If they want to be rude,
they can be very rude in a very sophistocated fashion without being crude.

?
You really think that this is only a "quality" Turks have?!

Certainly not. All I was saying that mainland Turks can be very subtly rude
to one another in very sophisticated ways. Turkish _and_ Greek Cypriots are
more direct and less subtle.

Post by gogu
Greeks can be rude, too, even in a sophisticated manner as you say but the
question here is not if they can be or not
rude, the question is what was your motivation to use the c word with
Marianna who at the bottom line was polite with you?!

I felt she was being extremely discourteous to me especially since she had
no proof that I was wrong in stating that "hatir" is a Turkish word.

Post by gogu
As for your obsession that she is the old Marina (yes, I remember her, I
also
remember you making the same remark to Marianna some time ago...) I can
assure you she is not!
Marianna is a Pontian Greek just like me, Marina was not.

I may be wrong. I freely admit that. But somehow there was a similarity
between their attitude towards me.

Post by choro-nik
It is a very highly developed art form which you can observe from time to
time on stc providing you know Turkish of course.

:-)
I do my best but I don't want to give up all my qualities;-)

It is healthy to throw caution to the winds sometimes. And the anonymity of
the Usenet provides that opportunity. In real life we are all, I would hope,
a bit more careful about what we say.

Post by choro-nik
I tell you it is highly sophisticated and can be very subtle the like of
which I have not heard amonst Greeks.

LOL
Then you don't know many Greeks or you don't know the right ones;-)

Post by gogu
"Well" done choro, well done!

You obviously don't know Cypriots

I know them a bit but yes, I am not saying I am an expert on them.

It is not enough just to know a Cypriot or two. You have to be very close to
them before they will reveal their innate "abilities". Believe me it is
considered rude even amongst Cypriots to utter swear words in company. But
it is a different story between close friends when in fact it becomes a sign
of closeness of the relationship between true friends.

Post by choro-nik
-- be they Greeks or Turks. Unlike the mainlanders, we use swear words
freely.

LOL
And you think us mainlander Greeks do not!:-)))

I said nothing that can be taken that specifically...

Post by gogu
choro, now I am *sure* you know almost nothing about Greeks:-)))

If you say so...

Post by choro-nik
And we DO have a rude but healthy sense of humor.

She was rude to me, so I returned her sentiments in rather cruder terms,

Post by gogu
I say that we have many rude people in here, at least let's try and keep a
lever between people who are not rude, is this so bad?!!!

I only gave her the "lever" she deserved.
--
choro-nik
********

Post by gogu
Obviously it is for you...
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******

gogu

2006-06-21 21:33:42 UTC

Post by choro-nik
=============
Copied and pasted passage omitted by gogu.....

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

????
Why she was "discourteous" to you?!
She said she can do something, you could ask her to prove her sayings!
But replying calling her a "cunt", well, that's above my understanding...

Post by choro-nik
'Cause you cunt?!

This is the bit that you quoted from my posting, thus quoting me out of
context!!!

Nope, I stand in what I wrote above!
What was the reason to call her that way?!
Do you really believe that what she said "entitles" you to reply in that
manner?...

Post by choro-nik
You do take everything seriously, don't you, gogu?

Not at all when they are coming from a***les but when they come from people
I use to have a certain respect, then yes, I do take everything seriously!
There are so few Greeks and Turks to be able to talk, so it's
discouraging
to see that even those "moderates" gradually they are slipping to the
extremes...

I can say the same thing about you.

No, you can't!
I never gave you such a motive!

Post by choro-nik
I certainly am not slipping into
extremes. In fact I am trying hard not to slip to extremes in view of the
great provocations I am facing by extremists on your side.

Yeah sure, and they are saying the same about you, so what is the
solution?...

Post by choro-nik
Hey, you sensitive soul! You don't know Cypriots yet. Greek or Turk they
are or rather they can be rather rude and crude. For us it is an art form.
You mainlanders are cold fish when it comes to cracking rude jokes amongst
friends.

There is no harm in occasional throwing caution to the winds, as they say.

Well, if you say so....
But I still disagree.

I felt she was being extremely discourteous to me especially since she had
no proof that I was wrong in stating that "hatir" is a Turkish word.

Not true!
You throw the "c" word at her face, *before* asking her to provide proof of
what she said!
And even if she sustained something you disagree, I don't fond it enough
cause to treat her that way!
Sorry...

I may be wrong. I freely admit that. But somehow there was a similarity
between their attitude towards me.

She spoke with me in Pontian, so she can't be Marina which IIRC was a
Cypriot, right?...

Post by choro-nik
It is a very highly developed art form which you can observe from time to
time on stc providing you know Turkish of course.

:-)
I do my best but I don't want to give up all my qualities;-)

It is healthy to throw caution to the winds sometimes. And the anonymity of
the Usenet provides that opportunity. In real life we are all, I would hope,
a bit more careful about what we say.

I was trying to say that I *do* understand some Turkish!

Post by choro-nik
You obviously don't know Cypriots

I know them a bit but yes, I am not saying I am an expert on them.

It is not enough just to know a Cypriot or two.

Well, more like 20 or 30 but I say that the numbers do not count.
I lived in the same flat for about six months with a Cypriot, so I assume I
know them a bit...

Post by choro-nik
You have to be very close to
them before they will reveal their innate "abilities".

I was.
I had a Cypriot g/f at that time:-)

Post by gogu
choro, now I am *sure* you know almost nothing about Greeks:-)))

If you say so...

Your assertions are driving me to that conclusion!

Post by choro-nik
And we DO have a rude but healthy sense of humor.

She was rude to me,

No, she was not.
Only you perceived what she said that way.
Now note, you were saying you have the sense of humor, so if she says it was
a humorous answer how you will defend your reaction?...
Or maybe you think you only have the right to "humor" but nobody else?...

Post by choro-nik
so I returned her sentiments in rather cruder terms,

Which is correct in your book?...
I think not!

Post by gogu
I say that we have many rude people in here, at least let's try and keep a
lever between people who are not rude, is this so bad?!!!

I only gave her the "lever" she deserved.

I don't think so, but hey, I don't expect you to admit you were wrong, you
are a Cypriot after all;-)))
(BTW, I haven't met more stubborn people in my life!).
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-22 00:29:05 UTC

Post by choro-nik
=============
Copied and pasted passage omitted by gogu.....

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

????
Why she was "discourteous" to you?!
She said she can do something, you could ask her to prove her sayings!
But replying calling her a "cunt", well, that's above my understanding...

Post by choro-nik
'Cause you cunt?!

This is the bit that you quoted from my posting, thus quoting me out of
context!!!

Nope, I stand in what I wrote above!
What was the reason to call her that way?!
Do you really believe that what she said "entitles" you to reply in that
manner?...

Post by choro-nik
You do take everything seriously, don't you, gogu?

I can say the same thing about you.

No, you can't!
I never gave you such a motive!

Post by choro-nik
I certainly am not slipping into
extremes. In fact I am trying hard not to slip to extremes in view of the
great provocations I am facing by extremists on your side.

Yeah sure, and they are saying the same about you, so what is the
solution?...

There is no harm in occasional throwing caution to the winds, as they say.

Well, if you say so....
But I still disagree.

I felt she was being extremely discourteous to me especially since she had
no proof that I was wrong in stating that "hatir" is a Turkish word.

I may be wrong. I freely admit that. But somehow there was a similarity
between their attitude towards me.

She spoke with me in Pontian, so she can't be Marina which IIRC was a
Cypriot, right?...

Post by choro-nik
It is a very highly developed art form which you can observe from time to
time on stc providing you know Turkish of course.

:-)
I do my best but I don't want to give up all my qualities;-)

It is healthy to throw caution to the winds sometimes. And the anonymity of
the Usenet provides that opportunity. In real life we are all, I would hope,
a bit more careful about what we say.

I was trying to say that I *do* understand some Turkish!

Post by choro-nik
You obviously don't know Cypriots

I know them a bit but yes, I am not saying I am an expert on them.

It is not enough just to know a Cypriot or two.

Well, more like 20 or 30 but I say that the numbers do not count.
I lived in the same flat for about six months with a Cypriot, so I assume I
know them a bit...

Post by choro-nik
You have to be very close to
them before they will reveal their innate "abilities".

I was.
I had a Cypriot g/f at that time:-)

Post by gogu
choro, now I am *sure* you know almost nothing about Greeks:-)))

If you say so...

Your assertions are driving me to that conclusion!

Post by choro-nik
And we DO have a rude but healthy sense of humor.

She was rude to me,

Post by choro-nik
so I returned her sentiments in rather cruder terms,

Which is correct in your book?...
I think not!

Post by gogu
I say that we have many rude people in here, at least let's try and keep a
lever between people who are not rude, is this so bad?!!!

I only gave her the "lever" she deserved.

I don't think so, but hey, I don't expect you to admit you were wrong, you
are a Cypriot after all;-)))
(BTW, I haven't met more stubborn people in my life!).
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
choro-nik
********

Κωστα, τον ξεδιαντροπο τον φτυνουνε και
αυτος (δηλαδη ο choro-nik) λεε ψιχαλιζει. :-)

gogu

2006-06-22 22:19:05 UTC

Êùóôá, ôïí îåäéáíôñïðï ôïí öôõíïõíå êáé
áõôïò (äçëáäç ï choro-nik) ëåå øé÷áëéæåé. :-)

Pros ekplhksh moy giati gia xronia ton 8ewroysa poio moderated apo alloys
Toyrkoys...
Alla twra teleytaia katrakylaei olo kai poio ba8ia ston boyrko kai ayto poy
den katalabainw einai to giati...
Ti na pw, krima giati ton 8eoroysa diaforetiko...

g***@oink.co.uk

2006-06-28 16:33:40 UTC

http://snipurl.com/mwah

http://snipurl.com/dilp

http://seanie.eu

Post by choro-nik
=============
Copied and pasted passage omitted by gogu.....

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!

????
Why she was "discourteous" to you?!
She said she can do something, you could ask her to prove her sayings!
But replying calling her a "cunt", well, that's above my understanding...

Post by choro-nik
'Cause you cunt?!

This is the bit that you quoted from my posting, thus quoting me out of
context!!!

Nope, I stand in what I wrote above!
What was the reason to call her that way?!
Do you really believe that what she said "entitles" you to reply in that
manner?...

Post by choro-nik
You do take everything seriously, don't you, gogu?

I can say the same thing about you.

No, you can't!
I never gave you such a motive!

Post by choro-nik
I certainly am not slipping into
extremes. In fact I am trying hard not to slip to extremes in view of the
great provocations I am facing by extremists on your side.

Yeah sure, and they are saying the same about you, so what is the
solution?...

There is no harm in occasional throwing caution to the winds, as they say.

Well, if you say so....
But I still disagree.

I felt she was being extremely discourteous to me especially since she had
no proof that I was wrong in stating that "hatir" is a Turkish word.

I may be wrong. I freely admit that. But somehow there was a similarity
between their attitude towards me.

She spoke with me in Pontian, so she can't be Marina which IIRC was a
Cypriot, right?...

Post by choro-nik
It is a very highly developed art form which you can observe from time to
time on stc providing you know Turkish of course.

:-)
I do my best but I don't want to give up all my qualities;-)

It is healthy to throw caution to the winds sometimes. And the anonymity of
the Usenet provides that opportunity. In real life we are all, I would hope,
a bit more careful about what we say.

I was trying to say that I *do* understand some Turkish!

Post by choro-nik
You obviously don't know Cypriots

I know them a bit but yes, I am not saying I am an expert on them.

It is not enough just to know a Cypriot or two.

Well, more like 20 or 30 but I say that the numbers do not count.
I lived in the same flat for about six months with a Cypriot, so I assume I
know them a bit...

Post by choro-nik
You have to be very close to
them before they will reveal their innate "abilities".

I was.
I had a Cypriot g/f at that time:-)

Post by gogu
choro, now I am *sure* you know almost nothing about Greeks:-)))

If you say so...

Your assertions are driving me to that conclusion!

Post by choro-nik
And we DO have a rude but healthy sense of humor.

She was rude to me,

Post by choro-nik
so I returned her sentiments in rather cruder terms,

Which is correct in your book?...
I think not!

Post by gogu
I say that we have many rude people in here, at least let's try and keep a
lever between people who are not rude, is this so bad?!!!

I only gave her the "lever" she deserved.

I don't think so, but hey, I don't expect you to admit you were wrong, you
are a Cypriot after all;-)))
(BTW, I haven't met more stubborn people in my life!).
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
********

Panta Rhei

2006-06-28 22:43:44 UTC

Post by g***@oink.co.uk
http://snipurl.com/mwah
http://snipurl.com/dilp
http://seanie.eu

<BG> Poor, helpless, little idiot!

BTW, Turkish retard: rcc removed again!! Awww! Did I spoil your lame game
again! LMAO!

--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.

Karipidu Marianna

2006-06-16 21:36:09 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks living in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find HATIR in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.
No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.
Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!
--
choro-nik
*******

Gee, Choro-nik, how are you talking to
hatirlesa Marianna? :-)

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find
the
same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the (Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of this word.
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-16 22:48:22 UTC

Post by Ali Asker
Sorry, I forget the add Greek group
Please read the text below and explain us what is Xatiri = Hatiri
means
in
Greek language!
Thank you,

Greek: Xatiri= favor, favour
Pontian Dialect of the Greek language:Xatir=
favor, favour

Pure Turkish, mon ami! Or do you think that the Turkic Uzbeks
living
in
China borrowed it from Pontians?

No, the Turks didn't get ir from the Pontian Greeks.
Pontian Greeks and Turks got it from the Arabic
language.___

Me tinks you rong, Marianna!!! How did the Torkomans and the Uzbek Turks
get it then? I am sure if you look it up you will probably find
HATIR
in
every Turkic language. And there is no shortage of Turkic languages.
No, HATIR cannot be an import into Turkic languages. It is too basic and
fundamemental a word to Turkic for it to be an import word whether from
Arabic, Persian or any other language.
Still, I appreciate the way you expressed your opinion without resorting
anti-Turkish sentiments. I appreciate that.
--
choro-nik
*******

And why don't you?
'Cause you cunt?!
--
choro-nik
*******

Gee, Choro-nik, how are you talking to
hatirlesa Marianna? :-)

Ah, Marianna, I seem to recollect a Marina who I caught with her pants down
YEARS ago. You wouldn't happen to be the one and the same person, would you?
<G>

The one whose grandfather had slain seven Turks with his bare hands?
--
choro-nik
********

Post by choro-nik
If that is what you are implying, I say: What balderdash!!!
--
choro-nik
*******

Post by Ali Asker
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find
the
same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in
Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

I've just said it to choro: "for my (your, his, her) sake"!
But you gave me food for thought, the word "hatir" has in it the
(Greek)
root "hari"
that could be very well be transformed later to "hatir".
"hari" is another word for "sake" in Greek!
I think only a linguist could definitely tell us the origin of
this
word.
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

choro-nik

2006-06-09 05:04:46 UTC

Yes, good point, gogu. However, when Greeks borrow anything from Turkish
they tend to mix it with a bit of Greek.

You fucken racist , fanatical turkish nationalist son of a *tURk*! What
makes you think that Greeks have borrowed this word from the *tURk*s. If
the Greeks are using the same word then why can't you credit them for
that? Why everything that you use have to be Turkish? Why can't you even
cosider the possibility that you may have borrowed the word from the
Greeks, Armenians, Assuriyans, Kurds, Arabs or Persians?

Yes, Sir, Madame Alley Cat!!!

In Greek you would say, "...geia to hatiri mou" ("for my favor" which in
proper English would be "as a favor to me" or "for my sake".

Can't you not see the above expression, This word is exatly the same way
it has been used in Kurdish language "ji bo xatir û bextê min" for my own
sake! But I would not clame that this word is Kurdish origin because for
me it is sound Greek and definately not Turkish.

FYI, your Kurdish is half Persian and half a mixture of other languages of
the geographical region. Even your incarcerated underground terrorist
organization PKK leader Ocalan prefers to write in Turkish rather than in
one of the Kurdish tribal dialects.

*Do* try to lick your balls and dick while lying down relaxing, Alley Cat. Oh
sorry, my mistake I must have forgotten you are a bitch. Well, in that case do
please lick your crack clean!! And do stop chasing mice around or they'll
have you by the balls, as they say. We, of course, we all know by now that you
haven't got any balls.

Unfortunately some Turkish words do not have exact equivalents in other
languages. Such words usually have very subtle meanings and nuances that
are difficult to retain when translated into another language, which is
probably the reason why Greeks borrowed the Turkish word "hatir" adding
the obligatory -i suffix to make it sound Greek. "Hatir" is just another
one of Those words which, as the saying goes in English, "covers a lot
of sins" i.e. it has lots of nuances depending on how and in which
context it is used.

Most languages have borrowed words and Turkish is no exception. English which is probably one of the richest languages has around half or more of its words borrowed from other languages. The question you should ask yourself is how the Greeks came to borrow the word "hatir". And they did of course borrow it from Ottoman Turkish.

Nothing wrong with Greeks borrowing words whether from Turkish or any other
language. In fact I am not denying that Turkish, like practically every other
language, has borrowed lots of words from Greek.

In fact moments ago I was having a bit of Greek "filavouna" (a type of pastry filled with a lovely cheese and egg preparation) in the kitchen. We the Turks borrowed both the recipe and the word from the Greeks. Nothing to be ashamed of. Though I would like Greeks to openly say that they borrowed dolma, doner/cevirme which they now call giro, yogurt, djadjik etc from the Turks. If I were young I would start a business marketing "loukanika" with lamb or beef too because it is so lovely. Though recently Polish sausage meats are readily available in the UK and I must admit I am rather partial to them. In fact one of them reminds me very much of Greek "loukanjika"!

Only for Alley Cat's eyes, I just can't resist adding... Götüñde mi geldim bre Sokak Kedisi?

YUK! What a disgusting idea. But anyway let's get on with more serious stuff now.

You are more of an idiot than I thought, Alley Cat. How can anyone imagine that "hatin" meaning "you came" in Alley Cat's I don't know which tribal Kurdish dialect is the same as Turkish "hatir" meaning something like "remembering/memory/recollections"? The mind boggles at Alley Cat's *linguistic fascism*!!!

Why don't YOU do a Goggle search? Oh I didn't realize you were so daft.
'Ere Alley Cat, try this page

http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir

Now, you can see for yourself that "hatir" exists in Uighur Turkish. And
that is as far east you can go within the Turkic world which stretches from what was former Yugoslavia all the way to China.

And read this copied and pasted here from Encyclopedia Britannica main web page...

Sinkiang, Uighur Autonomous Region of
autonomous region occupying the northwestern corner of the People's Republic of China. The region is bordered by Mongolia to the northeast, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan to the northwest, ...

Uighur
Turkic-speaking people of interior Asia who live for the most part in northwestern China, in the Uighur Autonomous Region of Sinkiang; a small number live in the Central Asian republics. There were ...

Did you see Uighur Turkic-speaking people etc...

And before you ask us to go back to Asia, you first ask your American masters to go back to Europe or back to wherever they came from while you lick their bums. And I am no anti-American as there are quite a lot of things I admire about America. But all you seem to be doing, for this moment in history anyway, is to serve them as toilet tissue and "high sheetage" or "high shittage" toilet paper at that!!!

When Bush's ill advised Iraq adventure is over your Barzanis and Talabanis together with their apparatchiks will flee all the way to "Ammerika" with their siphoned off billions while the Kurdish population are left to get on with their lives in the region.

'Ere, lick my balls Alley Cat, since you haven't got any!!!

Post by Ali Asker
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.

Did you try the web page above? 'Ere, lick my lollypop!!!

Well, at least you accept the fact that Turkish language is one of the
most curropt and backward language in the world!

Which must be why the incarcerated leader of the terrorist organization PKK
leader Abdullah Ocalan prefers to write anything serious pertaining to the
PKK in Turkish!!! Is it his mother or was it his father is not of Kurdish but of Turkish ethnicity? He started a Maoist underground and look where it has taken him, a man with obvious talents but misplaced efforts.

Learn your own language first you son of a *tURk*, It is not
Amerikanlasti, it is Amerikanlilasti and Italians say only Americano!

You stupid idiot, are you now trying to teach me my own mother tongue? In
Turkish, an American is either "Amerikan" or "Amerikali". "To become
Americanized" becomes either "Amerikalilasti" or "Amerikanlasti", but NEVER
EVER "Amerikanlilasti". There is no "Amerikanli" in Turkish, the correct word in Turkish being "Amerikali". What you are suggesting as the correct word in Turkish is like saying "From American" which is OK in English so long as you mean "from American English" but in Turkish that would be "Amerikan Ingilizcesi" or to coin another word "Amerikanca" which of course refers to the American language.

Or am I getting into waters too deep for you, you simpleton?

You obviously know Turkish well but haven't got what I would call an
analytical mind. You see "Amerikali" means "of/from America" while
"Amerikan" has entered the Turkish language direct. But "Amerikan" refers to human beings, not to the language -- see above...

Alley Cat, Turkish is such a rich language that while "Amerikali" does not necessarily imply US citizenship, "Amerikan" does definitely imply US citizenship.

You see Alley Cat, while I have "hatir" for gogu, and gogu knows this well,
I have none whatsoever for you, you Alley Cat! And just like an Alley Cat, you have no sense of moral propriety.

END OF STORY....
--
choro-nik
*******

But what has this got to do with "hatir"...???
How should I know?
One thought leads to another and before long one is off-topic!!!

You are basicly talking right out from your ars! That what is going on...

Also "favor".
Also like in "make my hatir" = "make it for my shake".
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html

Hopefully the above info will give you a better grasp of the meaning
and the nuances of this word the meaning of which, as uhu pointed out,
depends on the context. The thing to do is to get the spirit of the
word and then you will understand its different meanings and nuances
when read in context.
--
choro-nik
********

Hi there,
1. hepten

means "entirely"

2. hatir

has many meanings. One needs the context it is used in.
http://mydictionary.dyndns.org/dict_en/seek/translator

Ali Asker

2006-06-13 00:33:00 UTC

Yes, good point, gogu. However, when Greeks borrow anything from Turkish
they tend to mix it with a bit of Greek.

You fucken racist , fanatical turkish nationalist son of a *tURk*! What
makes you think that Greeks have borrowed this word from the *tURk*s. If
the Greeks are using the same word then why can't you credit them for
that? Why everything that you use have to be Turkish? Why can't you even
cosider the possibility that you may have borrowed the word from the
Greeks, Armenians, Assuriyans, Kurds, Arabs or Persians?

Yes, Sir, Madame Alley Cat!!!

In Greek you would say, "...geia to hatiri mou" ("for my favor" which in
proper English would be "as a favor to me" or "for my sake".

Can't you not see the above expression, This word is exatly the same way
it has been used in Kurdish language "ji bo xatir û bextê min" for my own
sake! But I would not clame that this word is Kurdish origin because for
me it is sound Greek and definately not Turkish.
FYI, your Kurdish is half Persian and half a mixture of other languages of

How, do you know that? Do you speak or understand any Kurdish at all?
Persian language and the Kurdish language is as same as German and the
French Languages!

Post by Ali Asker
the geographical region. Even your incarcerated underground terrorist
organization PKK leader Ocalan prefers to write in Turkish rather than in
one of the Kurdish tribal dialects.

Do not call PKK a terrorist organisation you son of a *tURk*, Since when the
freedom fighters are called terrorists? If you really want to know who is
the terrorists are then look no further then turkish military dictatorship
regime!

Post by Ali Asker
*Do* try to lick your balls and dick while lying down relaxing, Alley Cat. Oh
sorry, my mistake I must have forgotten you are a bitch. Well, in that case do
please lick your crack clean!! And do stop chasing mice around or they'll
have you by the balls, as they say. We, of course, we all know by now that you
haven't got any balls.

Unfortunately some Turkish words do not have exact equivalents in other
languages. Such words usually have very subtle meanings and nuances that
are difficult to retain when translated into another language, which is
probably the reason why Greeks borrowed the Turkish word "hatir" adding
the obligatory -i suffix to make it sound Greek. "Hatir" is just another
one of Those words which, as the saying goes in English, "covers a lot
of sins" i.e. it has lots of nuances depending on how and in which
context it is used.

Your language is so, fucked up that you can't even understand each other
in the most conversations! Some folks in Turkey talk with Arabic words,
some uses western words and some of them uses Greek, Armenian or Kurdish
words. Turkish language is made-up from mostly Arabic, Persian, Greek,
Kurdish and Western words. Almost 80% of the Turkish language that is
spoken in Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and other big cities are borrowed words
which is from the other more civilized ethnicities or races. If a
Turkmenistan person or Kazakistan person from the central Asia speak to a
*tURk* then a Turkish person would have no idea of what they are talking
about and surely they have to use a translator.
Most languages have borrowed words and Turkish is no exception. English
which is probably one of the richest languages has around half or more of
its words >borrowed from other languages. The question you should ask
yourself is how the Greeks came to borrow the word "hatir". And they did of
course borrow it from >Ottoman Turkish.

Learn your history properly! You are the people of "DEVSIRME" which is
converted people from the Greeks, Pontians, Arabs, Kurds, Armenians etc,.,
you may use the some of mongolian, altaic languages but this does not make
you a *tURk*! People in south Africa use english language but this does not
make them English but African!

Post by Ali Asker
Nothing wrong with Greeks borrowing words whether from Turkish or any other
language. In fact I am not denying that Turkish, like practically every other
language, has borrowed lots of words from Greek.

You are practically calling everything that hear from the *tURk"s as a
turkish language and seing it as a turkish word and this is wrong!

Post by Ali Asker
In fact moments ago I was having a bit of Greek "filavouna" (a type of
pastry filled with a lovely cheese and egg preparation) in the kitchen. We
the Turks

I have never ever heard to food called filavouna and the name is foreign to
me so, you are saying that *tURk*s uses this dish? is it in Cyprus?

Post by Ali Asker
borrowed both the recipe and the word from the Greeks. Nothing to be

ashamed of. Though I would like Greeks to openly say that they borrowed
dolma, >doner/cevirme which they now call giro, yogurt, djadjik etc from the
Turks. If I were young I would start a business marketing "loukanika" with
lamb or beef too >because it is so lovely. Though recently Polish sausage
meats are readily available in the UK and I must admit I am rather partial
to them. In fact one of them >reminds me very much of Greek "loukanjika"!

doner, giro,yougurt, shawarma, cacik, ayran, dough, imam bayildi, baklawa,
cevirme are all the foods that belong to the Middle East and Greece! You may
gave a better shorter name but they are all cooked in this land for
thousands of years before you mongolians ever set foot here!

You fucken have no idea of what you are talking about! hatir and respect
are two different things, hatir and hatirlamak have no fucken relationship
at all!
hat = come = gelmek in Kurdish
hatin = came = past tense = geldin in Kurdish
Only for Alley Cat's eyes, I just can't resist adding... Götüñde mi geldim
bre Sokak Kedisi?
YUK! What a disgusting idea. But anyway let's get on with more serious stuff now.
You are more of an idiot than I thought, Alley Cat. How can anyone imagine
that "hatin" meaning "you came" in Alley Cat's I don't know which tribal
Kurdish >dialect is the same as Turkish "hatir" meaning something like
"remembering/memory/recollections"? The mind boggles at Alley Cat's
*linguistic fascism*!!!

XATIR is used in Kurdish language just for "SAKE" or XATIRE means "Goodbye".
As I said we have many other words that to describe
remembering/memory/relollection etc,.

but HAT means Come and HATIN means Came!

Post by Ali Asker
Hun bi xer hatin = you are welcome = hosgeldiniz
Xatire te = Hatire te = tekil = singular = goodbye
Xatire We = Hatire We = Plural = cogul = goodbye
Still, I would not say this word is definately Kurdish!
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find the same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
Why don't YOU do a Goggle search? Oh I didn't realize you were so daft.
'Ere Alley Cat, try this page
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir
Now, you can see for yourself that "hatir" exists in Uighur Turkish. And
that is as far east you can go within the Turkic world which stretches from
what was former Yugoslavia all the way to China.

So, the Turkic world starts from Yugoslavia (which includes Greece,
Bulgaria, Romania etc,.) to Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Tecakistan, Ozbekistan,
Kazakistan and to Uigur China WOW, your turkic world does it cover the
JAPAN, AFRICA, Africa, Russia and Australia?

Post by Ali Asker
And read this copied and pasted here from Encyclopedia Britannica main web page...
Sinkiang, Uighur Autonomous Region of
autonomous region occupying the northwestern corner of the People's
Republic of China. The region is bordered by Mongolia to the northeast,
Kazakstan, >Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan to the northwest, ...
Uighur
Turkic-speaking people of interior Asia who live for the most part in
northwestern China, in the Uighur Autonomous Region of Sinkiang; a small
number live in the >Central Asian republics. There were ...
Did you see Uighur Turkic-speaking people etc...
And before you ask us to go back to Asia, you first ask your American
masters to go back to Europe or back to wherever they came from while you
lick their >bums. And I am no anti-American as there are quite a lot of
things I admire about America. But all you seem to be doing, for this
moment in history anyway, is to >serve them as toilet tissue and "high
sheetage" or "high shittage" toilet paper at that!!!

I just wonder, what the *tURk*s have been doing to the American for the last
50 years or so?

Post by Ali Asker
When Bush's ill advised Iraq adventure is over your Barzanis and Talabanis
together with their apparatchiks will flee all the way to "Ammerika" with
their siphoned >off billions while the Kurdish population are left to get
on with their lives in the region.

Well, we have many good friends in the region like *tURk*s, Persians, Arabs.
Would they not look after us, don't you think?

Post by Ali Asker
'Ere, lick my balls Alley Cat, since you haven't got any!!!
I would like gogu to explain us what is really hatir mean in Greek
language and the variations used!
Because, I really think it is a Greek word.
Did you try the web page above? 'Ere, lick my lollypop!!!

If, you really convince that this word is Turkish and een used in Uigur
people then why don't you ask the Turkmen and the Uigur people where and
when do they use this word? You have to ask the Chineese people also because
they land *tURk*s in that region many words and many ancient tales!

Well, at least you accept the fact that Turkish language is one of the
most curropt and backward language in the world!
Which must be why the incarcerated leader of the terrorist organization PKK
leader Abdullah Ocalan prefers to write anything serious pertaining to the
PKK in Turkish!!!

You see if he is using Turkish language to communicate with his people then
you should be proud of but instead you insult and abuse people who uses your
shity language! Ocalan or any other Kurd does not prefer to speak in Turkish
but you know it very well that Kurdish language is otlawed in Turkey, Before
the PKK writing in Kurdish would have make you killed on the spot, saying
anything Kurdish in school would have put your parents life in dangeour. I
know the fact that you have no idea of what was happining in turkey between
1920-1990 but this was the reality and still not much changed. So, under
these extreme circumstances how can you expect some one to speak and write
her/his language properly?

Post by Ali Asker
Is it his mother or was it his father is not of Kurdish but of Turkish
ethnicity? He started a Maoist underground and look where it has taken

him, a man with >obvious talents but misplaced efforts.

Well, If the Kurdish people are standing in Turkey and shouting in the
middle of the Street that "WE ARE THE KURDS" and If the EU given you
*tURk*s condition that to improve Kurdish rights then I am sure he achived
more then anyone have ecer achived in Turkey!

Before the PKK, and the Abdullah Ocalan Turkish government official stand
was "Kurds simply does not exist", "Kurdish language does not exist",
"Kurdistan never existed in the history and never will exist"

Can you see the differences now? Kurds in Turkey exists and Turkey have
Kurdish problem "Your President and the Prime Minister", Kurdish courses
opened and TRT started broadcasting 30min a week Kurdish programs, Many of
your historians now openly accept the fact that Kurdistan existed during the
Ottoman Empire and MED empire was Kurdish origin!

Can you see the changes, can you see what APO achived in 20 years?

Learn your own language first you son of a *tURk*, It is not
Amerikanlasti, it is Amerikanlilasti and Italians say only Americano!

You stupid idiot, are you now trying to teach me my own mother tongue?

Well, One of your turkish writer said in the past that "%80 of the *tURk*s
are stupid" do you disagree that?

Post by Ali Asker
In
Turkish, an American is either "Amerikan" or "Amerikali". "To become
Americanized" becomes either "Amerikalilasti" or "Amerikanlasti", but
NEVER
EVER "Amerikanlilasti". There is no "Amerikanli" in Turkish, the correct
word in Turkish being "Amerikali". What you are suggesting as the correct
word in >Turkish is like saying "From American" which is OK in English so
long as you mean "from American English" but in Turkish that would be
"Amerikan Ingilizcesi" >or to coin another word "Amerikanca" which of
course refers to the American language.
Or am I getting into waters too deep for you, you simpleton?
You obviously know Turkish well but haven't got what I would call an
analytical mind. You see "Amerikali" means "of/from America" while
"Amerikan" has entered the Turkish language direct. But "Amerikan" refers
to human beings, not to the language -- see above...

You are talking a lot of bull-shit and trying to make even the simplest
things complicated! American refers not just human but everything to do with
Americans, ie, "Amerikan Gemisi", Amerikan halki", "Amerikan aslani" etc,
But you can not say Amerikalilasti because it is against the Turkish
language rule which it was set during 1960's! So, the right word is
Amerikanlilasti, Amerikanlilastiramadiklarimizdanmisiniz! Do you understand?

Sorry but I had to learn your language and learn it really well, otherwise I
would have been shot dead long time ago!

Post by Ali Asker
Alley Cat, Turkish is such a rich language that while "Amerikali" does not
necessarily imply US citizenship, "Amerikan" does definitely imply US
citizenship.

How can a lifeless subjects or Animals could have an American citizenship?
Amerikan is used for everything!

Post by Ali Asker
You see Alley Cat, while I have "hatir" for gogu, and gogu knows this well,

HATIR and HATIRA are both different words where they have no relations at
all, put that in your stupid Turkish brain!

Post by Ali Asker
I have none whatsoever for you, you Alley Cat! And just like an Alley Cat,
you have no sense of moral propriety.

I just feel pity for you! You are a DEVSIRME converted probably a Greek from
Cyprus and You are defending the people that murdered your families, invaded
your land and you basically become one of them "tURk*s!

Post by Ali Asker
END OF STORY....

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But what has this got to do with "hatir"...???
How should I know?
One thought leads to another and before long one is off-topic!!!

You are basicly talking right out from your ars! That what is going on...

Also "favor".
Also like in "make my hatir" = "make it for my shake".
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Hopefully the above info will give you a better grasp of the meaning
and the nuances of this word the meaning of which, as uhu pointed out,
depends on the context. The thing to do is to get the spirit of the
word and then you will understand its different meanings and nuances
when read in context.
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Hi there,
1. hepten

means "entirely"

2. hatir

has many meanings. One needs the context it is used in.
http://mydictionary.dyndns.org/dict_en/seek/translator

choro-nik

2006-06-13 07:03:36 UTC

I did say that "Amerikan" has entered the Turkish language directly and AS A
NOUN it only refers to people. You cannot in Turkish say goods are
"Amerikan" but you can say "Amerikan mali" -- American goods. A car cannot
be "Amerikan" in Turkish but "Amerikan arabasi". Neither can an American
car be "Amerikali" which in Turkish, as a noun, refers only to people.

The use of the work "Amerikan" in Turkish as an adjective is a different
kettle of fish as you can see from the example I have given you above and as
you yourself have provided getting confused about the use of the word as a
noun and as an adjective.

As I was trying to point out to you, you thicko, let me point out that the
use of the word "Amerikan" as a noun in Turkish means "of or from America"
and refers only to people unless you use the word in its adjectival form as
in "Amerikan mali" (American goods). You cannot say that a ship is
"Amerikan". You can only say "Amerikan gemisi" which makes the Turkish word
"Amerikan" as used here an ADJECTIVE.

The -li suffix in Turkish means "of or from" but again only when referring
to PEOPLE -- an not even to other living things. Goods cannot be
"Amerikali" but "Amerikan mali". Therefore you the use of the word
"Amerikanli" (with the -n-as the first of the two suffixes) in Turkish is
WRONG!

You can say "Italyan" (Italian person when used as a noun rather than as an
adjective) or Italyali ("from Italy" or literally "from Italia") but you
cannot have Italyanli (litarally "from Italian") . If you mean "from the
Italian Language" in Turkish this would be "Italyancadan". Please note that
while in English "from Italian" would imply "from the Italian language", in
Turkish "Italyan" is NEVER used about the Italian language as such which in
Turkish is "Italyanca". I found it necessary to clear this point before you
jump in with your stupid, illogical and erroneous arguments

The correct word in Turkish for "Italian" when referring to people and only
when it is used as a NOUN would be Italyali (without the n). Same with
Amerika-li (I inserted the - before the suffix to make it clear to other
readers). The difference between "Amerikan" and "Amerikali" is that
"Amerikan" refers to an American citizen while "Amerikali" does NOT
necessarily imply American Citizenship but merely that the person is from
the America. THAT is the difference between "Amerikan" and "Amerikali" in
Turkish. So you cannot have "Amerikanli" (with both the conceptually
clashing -n and the -li suffixes) since a person is either a full American
citizen ( i.e. "Amerikan") or merely from America ("Amerikali") without
necessarily implying that the person has American citizenship. American when
referring to the American language would in Turkish become "Amerikanca".

As for your example of the long, long words in Turkish......

Post by Ali Asker
Amerikanlilasti, Amerikanlilastiramadiklarimizdanmisiniz! Do you understand?

It only goes to show what an advanced language Turkish is, in that you can
construct a sentence by merely adding suffixes which is completely unlike
your tribal language.

Incidentally both your examples are grammatically wrong. They should either
have -n or the -li suffix but NOT both the clashing suffixes.

'Ere bwoy...

I am providing you with the grammatically correct versions of those long,
long words. Below I am providing you with two grammatically correct
alternatives for each depending on which nuances you want to bring out which
as I said would be hard to sustain an English translation just like it is
difficult to retain the nuances of a poem in translation.

"Amerikanlasti" or "Amerikalilasti", and "Amerikanlastiramadiklarimizdan
misiniz?!" or "Amerikalilastiramadiklarimizdan misiniz?!"

...which would translate into English as "He became Americanized" and "Are
you one of those we have not been able to Americanize?!"

Despite the fact that the bit after the comma in your response, which I
copied and posted further up, is grammatically one word and voiced as such,
according to Turkish grammar the question suffix should be written with a
blank space preceding it as if the one word were two words. Incidentally I
also added the question mark which you forgot to include at the end of a
question.

BTW, the extra long single word sentence example you gave was first used by
the Hurriyet newspaper as a banner headline grabbing attention as the
longest one word headline BUT it was actually used at the time of Dubcek and
the Spring Revolution in Czechoslovakia. in the 60s.
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PS= I won't bother about responding to your other mutterings which are
actually even more demented.

Yes, good point, gogu. However, when Greeks borrow anything from Turkish
they tend to mix it with a bit of Greek.

You fucken racist , fanatical turkish nationalist son of a *tURk*! What
makes you think that Greeks have borrowed this word from the *tURk*s. If
the Greeks are using the same word then why can't you credit them for
that? Why everything that you use have to be Turkish? Why can't you even
cosider the possibility that you may have borrowed the word from the
Greeks, Armenians, Assuriyans, Kurds, Arabs or Persians?

Yes, Sir, Madame Alley Cat!!!

In Greek you would say, "...geia to hatiri mou" ("for my favor" which in
proper English would be "as a favor to me" or "for my sake".

Can't you not see the above expression, This word is exatly the same way
it has been used in Kurdish language "ji bo xatir û bextê min" for my own
sake! But I would not clame that this word is Kurdish origin because for
me it is sound Greek and definately not Turkish.
FYI, your Kurdish is half Persian and half a mixture of other languages of

How, do you know that? Do you speak or understand any Kurdish at all?
Persian language and the Kurdish language is as same as German and the
French Languages!

Post by Ali Asker
the geographical region. Even your incarcerated underground terrorist
organization PKK leader Ocalan prefers to write in Turkish rather than in
one of the Kurdish tribal dialects.

Do not call PKK a terrorist organisation you son of a *tURk*, Since when
the freedom fighters are called terrorists? If you really want to know who
is the terrorists are then look no further then turkish military
dictatorship regime!

Unfortunately some Turkish words do not have exact equivalents in other
languages. Such words usually have very subtle meanings and nuances that
are difficult to retain when translated into another language, which is
probably the reason why Greeks borrowed the Turkish word "hatir" adding
the obligatory -i suffix to make it sound Greek. "Hatir" is just another
one of Those words which, as the saying goes in English, "covers a lot
of sins" i.e. it has lots of nuances depending on how and in which
context it is used.

Learn your history properly! You are the people of "DEVSIRME" which is
converted people from the Greeks, Pontians, Arabs, Kurds, Armenians etc,.,
you may use the some of mongolian, altaic languages but this does not
make you a *tURk*! People in south Africa use english language but this
does not make them English but African!

You are practically calling everything that hear from the *tURk"s as a
turkish language and seing it as a turkish word and this is wrong!

Post by Ali Asker
In fact moments ago I was having a bit of Greek "filavouna" (a type of
pastry filled with a lovely cheese and egg preparation) in the kitchen. We
the Turks

I have never ever heard to food called filavouna and the name is foreign
to me so, you are saying that *tURk*s uses this dish? is it in Cyprus?

Post by Ali Asker
borrowed both the recipe and the word from the Greeks. Nothing to be

ashamed of. Though I would like Greeks to openly say that they borrowed
dolma, >doner/cevirme which they now call giro, yogurt, djadjik etc from
the Turks. If I were young I would start a business marketing "loukanika"
with lamb or beef too >because it is so lovely. Though recently Polish
sausage meats are readily available in the UK and I must admit I am rather
partial to them. In fact one of them >reminds me very much of Greek
"loukanjika"!
doner, giro,yougurt, shawarma, cacik, ayran, dough, imam bayildi, baklawa,
cevirme are all the foods that belong to the Middle East and Greece! You
may gave a better shorter name but they are all cooked in this land for
thousands of years before you mongolians ever set foot here!

You fucken have no idea of what you are talking about! hatir and respect
are two different things, hatir and hatirlamak have no fucken
relationship
at all!
hat = come = gelmek in Kurdish
hatin = came = past tense = geldin in Kurdish
Only for Alley Cat's eyes, I just can't resist adding... Götüñde mi geldim
bre Sokak Kedisi?
YUK! What a disgusting idea. But anyway let's get on with more serious stuff now.
You are more of an idiot than I thought, Alley Cat. How can anyone imagine
that "hatin" meaning "you came" in Alley Cat's I don't know which tribal
Kurdish >dialect is the same as Turkish "hatir" meaning something like
"remembering/memory/recollections"? The mind boggles at Alley Cat's
*linguistic fascism*!!!

XATIR is used in Kurdish language just for "SAKE" or XATIRE means
"Goodbye". As I said we have many other words that to describe
remembering/memory/relollection etc,.
but HAT means Come and HATIN means Came!

Post by Ali Asker
Hun bi xer hatin = you are welcome = hosgeldiniz
Xatire te = Hatire te = tekil = singular = goodbye
Xatire We = Hatire We = Plural = cogul = goodbye
Still, I would not say this word is definately Kurdish!
If you insist that this is a Turkish word then prove me and find the same
word in Mongolia or any central Asian countries?
Why don't YOU do a Goggle search? Oh I didn't realize you were so daft.
'Ere Alley Cat, try this page
http://uighurlanguage.astiar.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=5&Template=dictionarysearch&search=hatir
Now, you can see for yourself that "hatir" exists in Uighur Turkish. And
that is as far east you can go within the Turkic world which stretches
from what was former Yugoslavia all the way to China.

I just wonder, what the *tURk*s have been doing to the American for the
last 50 years or so?

Well, we have many good friends in the region like *tURk*s, Persians,
Arabs. Would they not look after us, don't you think?

If, you really convince that this word is Turkish and een used in Uigur
people then why don't you ask the Turkmen and the Uigur people where and
when do they use this word? You have to ask the Chineese people also
because they land *tURk*s in that region many words and many ancient
tales!

You see if he is using Turkish language to communicate with his people
then you should be proud of but instead you insult and abuse people who
uses your shity language! Ocalan or any other Kurd does not prefer to
speak in Turkish but you know it very well that Kurdish language is
otlawed in Turkey, Before the PKK writing in Kurdish would have make you
killed on the spot, saying anything Kurdish in school would have put your
parents life in dangeour. I know the fact that you have no idea of what
was happining in turkey between 1920-1990 but this was the reality and
still not much changed. So, under these extreme circumstances how can you
expect some one to speak and write her/his language properly?

Post by Ali Asker
Is it his mother or was it his father is not of Kurdish but of Turkish
ethnicity? He started a Maoist underground and look where it has taken

him, a man with >obvious talents but misplaced efforts.

Well, If the Kurdish people are standing in Turkey and shouting in the
middle of the Street that "WE ARE THE KURDS" and If the EU given you
*tURk*s condition that to improve Kurdish rights then I am sure he achived
more then anyone have ecer achived in Turkey!
Before the PKK, and the Abdullah Ocalan Turkish government official stand
was "Kurds simply does not exist", "Kurdish language does not exist",
"Kurdistan never existed in the history and never will exist"
Can you see the differences now? Kurds in Turkey exists and Turkey have
Kurdish problem "Your President and the Prime Minister", Kurdish courses
opened and TRT started broadcasting 30min a week Kurdish programs, Many
of your historians now openly accept the fact that Kurdistan existed
during the Ottoman Empire and MED empire was Kurdish origin!
Can you see the changes, can you see what APO achived in 20 years?

Learn your own language first you son of a *tURk*, It is not
Amerikanlasti, it is Amerikanlilasti and Italians say only Americano!

You stupid idiot, are you now trying to teach me my own mother tongue?
Well, One of your turkish writer said in the past that "%80 of the *tURk*s
are stupid" do you disagree that?

You are talking a lot of bull-shit and trying to make even the simplest
things complicated! American refers not just human but everything to do
with Americans, ie, "Amerikan Gemisi", Amerikan halki", "Amerikan aslani"
etc, But you can not say Amerikalilasti because it is against the Turkish
language rule which it was set during 1960's! So, the right word is
Amerikanlilasti, Amerikanlilastiramadiklarimizdanmisiniz! Do you understand?
Sorry but I had to learn your language and learn it really well, otherwise
I would have been shot dead long time ago!

Post by Ali Asker
Alley Cat, Turkish is such a rich language that while "Amerikali" does not
necessarily imply US citizenship, "Amerikan" does definitely imply US
citizenship.

How can a lifeless subjects or Animals could have an American citizenship?
Amerikan is used for everything!

Post by Ali Asker
You see Alley Cat, while I have "hatir" for gogu, and gogu knows this well,

HATIR and HATIRA are both different words where they have no relations at
all, put that in your stupid Turkish brain!

Post by Ali Asker
I have none whatsoever for you, you Alley Cat! And just like an Alley Cat,
you have no sense of moral propriety.

I just feel pity for you! You are a DEVSIRME converted probably a Greek
from Cyprus and You are defending the people that murdered your families,
invaded your land and you basically become one of them "tURk*s!

Post by Ali Asker
END OF STORY....

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